Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread k hanly
Seems the US is a failed state in terms of failing to take responsibility
for its actions and accepting the rules of law and warfare as applying only
to others not to itself. It is not surprising it bribes states to exempt it
from being tried for war crimes.

Cheers, Ken Hanly

Vietnam's war against Agent Orange
By Tom Fawthrop
Cu Chi district, Vietnam

The Vietnam War ended in 1975, but the scourge of dioxin contamination from
a herbicide known as Agent Orange did not.
The damage inflicted by Agent Orange is much worse than anybody thought at
the end of the war, said Professor Nguyen Trong Nhan, the vice-president of
the Vietnam Victims of Agent Orange Association (VAVA).

Between 1962 and 1970, millions of gallons of Agent Orange were sprayed
across parts of Vietnam.

Professor Nhan, the former president of the Vietnamese Red Cross, denounced
the action as a massive violation of human rights of the civilian
population, and a weapon of mass destruction.

But since the end of the Vietnam War, Washington has denied any moral or
legal responsibility for the toxic legacy said to have been caused by Agent
Orange in Vietnam.

The unresolved legacy and US denials of responsibility triggered three
Vietnamese to take unprecedented legal action in January 2004.

The plaintiffs alleged war crimes against Monsanto Corporation, Dow
Chemicals and eight other companies that manufactured Agent Orange and other
defoliants used in Vietnam.

The case has been brought by VAVA, which was set up to promote an
international campaign to gain justice and compensation for Agent Orange
victims.

Preliminary hearings began in January at the US Federal Court in New York,
presided over by senior judge Jack Weinstein.

Birth defects

Agent Orange was designed to defoliate the jungle and thus deny cover to
Vietcong guerrillas.

It contained one of the most virulent poisons known to man, a strain of
dioxin called TCCD.


First it killed the rainforest, stripping the jungle bare.
In time, the dioxin then spread its toxic reach to the food chain - which
some say led to a proliferation of birth deformities.

In a small commune in the heavily sprayed Cu Chi district, the family of
21-year-old Tran Anh Kiet struggles with the problems of daily living.

His feet, hands and limbs are twisted and deformed. He writhes in evident
frustration, and his attempts at speech are confined to plaintive and
pitiful grunts.

Kiet has to be spoon-fed. He is an adult stuck inside the stunted body of a
15-year-old, with a mental age of around six.

He is what the local villagers refer to as an Agent Orange baby.

In Vietnam, there are 150,000 other children like him, whose birth defects -
according to Vietnamese Red Cross records - can be readily traced back to
their parents' exposure to Agent Orange during the war, or the consumption
of dioxin-contaminated food and water since 1975.

VAVA estimates that three million Vietnamese were exposed to the chemical
during the war, and at least one million suffer serious health problems
today.


Some are war veterans, who were exposed to the chemical clouds. Many are
farmers who lived off land that was sprayed. Others are a second and third
generation, affected by their parents' exposure.
Some of these victims live in the vicinity of former US military bases such
as Bien Hoa, where Agent Orange was stored in large quantities.

Dr Arnold Schecter, a leading expert in dioxin contamination in the US,
sampled the soil there in 2003, and found it contained TCCD levels that were
180 million times above the safe level set by the US environmental
protection agency.

Calls for US help

Professor Nhan is sadly disappointed by the US response to calls to help
Vietnamese sufferers.

Vietnam can't solve the problem on its own. Hanoi helped the US military to
track down remains of MIAs (US servicemen missing in action), and we asked
them to reciprocate with humanitarian aid for victims of Agent Orange, he
said.

Around 10,000 US war veterans who were exposed to Agent Orange receive
disability benefits for various types of cancer and other serious health
problems that have been linked to dioxin.

American victims of Agent Orange will get up to $1500 a month. However most
Vietnamese families affected receive around 80,000 Dong a month (just over
$5 dollars) in government support for each disabled child, Professor Nhan
said.


When former US President Bill Clinton visited Hanoi four years ago,
Vietnamese president Tran Duc Long made an appeal to the US to acknowledge
its responsibility to de-mine, detoxify former military bases and provide
assistance to Agent Orange victims.
But Washington offered nothing beyond funding scientific conferences and
further research.

Chuck Searcy, vice-president of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund based in
Hanoi, said: I am baffled that the US has not offered even a small gesture
of cooperation and assistance to the Vietnamese, beyond the endless talk
about scientific research. Such a step would

Re: Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread Devine, James
Ken writes: 
Seems the US is a failed state in terms of failing to take responsibility
for its actions and accepting the rules of law and warfare as applying only
to others not to itself. It is not surprising it bribes states to exempt it
from being tried for war crimes.

Yes, the US is a failed state in moral terms. (aren't most states?) Usually, 
however, the term failed state refers to a state that doesn't even provide law and 
order within its own territory (often because government officials are acting like 
gangsters). The US provides a failed state in Iraq, for example. 
jd



Re: Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread sartesian
Or... you could say the US is a highly successful state, serving well the
class it was created to serve.


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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ken writes:
Seems the US is a failed state in terms of failing to take responsibility
for its actions and accepting the rules of law and warfare as applying only
to others not to itself. It is not surprising it bribes states to exempt it
from being tried for war crimes.

Yes, the US is a failed state in moral terms. (aren't most states?)
Usually, however, the term failed state refers to a state that doesn't
even provide law and order within its own territory (often because
government officials are acting like gangsters). The US provides a failed
state in Iraq, for example.
jd


Re: Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread Devine, James
you think that the war against Iraq is successful from the point of view of the US 
ruling class? or even from the point of view of the Bushite fraction of that class? 
The ruling class sometimes f*cks up. 


Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine


 From: sartesian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Or... you could say the US is a highly successful state, 
 serving well the
 class it was created to serve.
 
I wrote: 
 Yes, the US is a failed state in moral terms. (aren't most states?)
 Usually, however, the term failed state refers to a state 
 that doesn't
 even provide law and order within its own territory (often because
 government officials are acting like gangsters). The US 
 provides a failed
 state in Iraq, for example.
 jd



Re: Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread sartesian
Correct, but do you think the US, historically, is the most successful
capitalist state, and its mistakes are part of that historical success?

Agent Orange in Vietnam a failure?  Not hardly, according to the
bourgeoisie.  Two million dead in Vietnam a failure? Not to the bourgeoisie.

Iraq a failure? To the bourgeoisie, only  in its execution, only because the
US has lost control of the battlefield.

Law and order?  They could care less.  It's all about property.  Follow the
cash.
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:13 PM
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you think that the war against Iraq is successful from the point of view of
the US ruling class? or even from the point of view of the Bushite fraction
of that class? The ruling class sometimes f*cks up.


Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine


 From: sartesian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Or... you could say the US is a highly successful state,
 serving well the
 class it was created to serve.

I wrote:
 Yes, the US is a failed state in moral terms. (aren't most states?)
 Usually, however, the term failed state refers to a state
 that doesn't
 even provide law and order within its own territory (often because
 government officials are acting like gangsters). The US
 provides a failed
 state in Iraq, for example.
 jd


Re: Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Is Agent Orange worse than deplete uranium?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu


Re: Agent Orange in Vietnam

2004-06-14 Thread sartesian
This is about the point where we have to call a halt-- when we start ranking
bourgeois viciousness by more vicious, less vicious, somewhat less vicious,
somewhat more vicious.

Let's just say that the same system that employed agent Orange, a product of
a certain level of technical development, now employs depleted uranium, the
product of another level of technical development,  for the same general
purpose.


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:47 PM
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 Is Agent Orange worse than deplete uranium?
 --
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929

 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu