Re: Market motivation
--- ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andie nachgeborenen wrote: Is the sugfgestion that the sexual favors of young men are like toxic waste? Well, ladies, whaddya think? Are we that bad? waitaminit! are you calling yourself a young man? ;-) ;-) --ravi Who do you think you are, my teenage daughter, who announced the day before yesterday that her mother and I were incredibly OLLLD, like rilly _ancient_, and we were foolin ourselvesif we thought we didn't have a foot in the grave? I'll do as a young-enough man, unless you want a baby ;- I still have decided what I'm going to be when I grow up. jks __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Market motivation
Bruno Frey. Frey argues that relying on market motivation can easily undermine intrinsic motivation to do so something.) jim It's a basic rat psych 101 result that you can enhance a behavior by reinforcement, but if it was a behavior that the rat would do (some) anyway, if you take away the reinforcement, it won't do it at all anymore. jks __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Market motivation
I wrote Bruno argues that relying on market motivation can easily undermine intrinsic motivation to do so something.) JKS: It's a basic rat psych 101 result that you can enhance a behavior by reinforcement, but if it was a behavior that the rat would do (some) anyway, if you take away the reinforcement, it won't do it at all anymore. jks that's not what BF is talking about. Here are two examples, and I quote is: A boy on good terms with his parents willingly mows the lawn of the family home. His father then offers to pay him money each time he cuts the lawn. The crowding-out effect [the theory that BF is famous for] suggests that the boy will lose his intrinsic motivation to cut the lawn (he may go on doing so, but now he does it because he is paid), but he will not be prepared to do any type of housework for free. You have been invited to your friend's house for dinner, and he has prepared a wonderful meal. Before you leave, you take out your purse and give your friend an appropriate sum of money. Probably nobody in their right mind would behave in this way, because virtually everyone knows that this would be the end of the friendship. By paying, the relationship becomes a commercial one. Yet there is one person who would not hesitate to pay a friend for dinner: classical Homo Oeconomicus would do so, following the price [incentive] effect -- and ends up without friends... (INSPIRING ECONOMICS: Human Motivation in Political Economy, p. 54) The second example is a bit like the ending of Dostoyevsky's NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND. (I hope I haven't spoiled the surprise for anyone!) The case of the national park volunteers who would refuse to do free work for corporations is a classic case. Whereas they used to do it for free for the National Park Service (intrinsic motivation), they require pay (extrinsic motivation) if a private corporation is in charge. Michael Perelman has cited the case of bloodbanks, which Titmuss (sp?) shows work better with volunteers' blood than with market-type (price-signal) motivation. Frey doesn't think that intrinsic motivation is the whole story. He thinks it applies only in some social contexts. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Re: Market motivation
Frey has done all sorts of interesting work on the subject. In some recent articles, he has shown how Swiss citizens were more willing to accept toxic waste dumps when the government did not offer to compensate them. Much of what he says is merely common sense. Imagine a young man out on the first date with an attractive woman. Theoretically -- at least according to economic -- she should be more willing to give him sensual pleasure with a monetary incentives. I suspect that this theory would not hold up very well in practice. On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:34:19PM -0700, Devine, James wrote: I wrote Bruno argues that relying on market motivation can easily undermine intrinsic motivation to do so something.) JKS: It's a basic rat psych 101 result that you can enhance a behavior by reinforcement, but if it was a behavior that the rat would do (some) anyway, if you take away the reinforcement, it won't do it at all anymore. jks that's not what BF is talking about. Here are two examples, and I quote is: A boy on good terms with his parents willingly mows the lawn of the family home. His father then offers to pay him money each time he cuts the lawn. The crowding-out effect [the theory that BF is famous for] suggests that the boy will lose his intrinsic motivation to cut the lawn (he may go on doing so, but now he does it because he is paid), but he will not be prepared to do any type of housework for free. You have been invited to your friend's house for dinner, and he has prepared a wonderful meal. Before you leave, you take out your purse and give your friend an appropriate sum of money. Probably nobody in their right mind would behave in this way, because virtually everyone knows that this would be the end of the friendship. By paying, the relationship becomes a commercial one. Yet there is one person who would not hesitate to pay a friend for dinner: classical Homo Oeconomicus would do so, following the price [incentive] effect -- and ends up without friends... (INSPIRING ECONOMICS: Human Motivation in Political Economy, p. 54) The second example is a bit like the ending of Dostoyevsky's NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND. (I hope I haven't spoiled the surprise for anyone!) The case of the national park volunteers who would refuse to do free work for corporations is a classic case. Whereas they used to do it for free for the National Park Service (intrinsic motivation), they require pay (extrinsic motivation) if a private corporation is in charge. Michael Perelman has cited the case of bloodbanks, which Titmuss (sp?) shows work better with volunteers' blood than with market-type (price-signal) motivation. Frey doesn't think that intrinsic motivation is the whole story. He thinks it applies only in some social contexts. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Market motivation
Is the sugfgestion that the sexual favors of young men are like toxic waste? Well, ladies, whaddya think? Are we that bad? jks --- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frey has done all sorts of interesting work on the subject. In some recent articles, he has shown how Swiss citizens were more willing to accept toxic waste dumps when the government did not offer to compensate them. Much of what he says is merely common sense. Imagine a young man out on the first date with an attractive woman. Theoretically -- at least according to economic -- she should be more willing to give him sensual pleasure with a monetary incentives. I suspect that this theory would not hold up very well in practice. On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:34:19PM -0700, Devine, James wrote: I wrote Bruno argues that relying on market motivation can easily undermine intrinsic motivation to do so something.) JKS: It's a basic rat psych 101 result that you can enhance a behavior by reinforcement, but if it was a behavior that the rat would do (some) anyway, if you take away the reinforcement, it won't do it at all anymore. jks that's not what BF is talking about. Here are two examples, and I quote is: A boy on good terms with his parents willingly mows the lawn of the family home. His father then offers to pay him money each time he cuts the lawn. The crowding-out effect [the theory that BF is famous for] suggests that the boy will lose his intrinsic motivation to cut the lawn (he may go on doing so, but now he does it because he is paid), but he will not be prepared to do any type of housework for free. You have been invited to your friend's house for dinner, and he has prepared a wonderful meal. Before you leave, you take out your purse and give your friend an appropriate sum of money. Probably nobody in their right mind would behave in this way, because virtually everyone knows that this would be the end of the friendship. By paying, the relationship becomes a commercial one. Yet there is one person who would not hesitate to pay a friend for dinner: classical Homo Oeconomicus would do so, following the price [incentive] effect -- and ends up without friends... (INSPIRING ECONOMICS: Human Motivation in Political Economy, p. 54) The second example is a bit like the ending of Dostoyevsky's NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND. (I hope I haven't spoiled the surprise for anyone!) The case of the national park volunteers who would refuse to do free work for corporations is a classic case. Whereas they used to do it for free for the National Park Service (intrinsic motivation), they require pay (extrinsic motivation) if a private corporation is in charge. Michael Perelman has cited the case of bloodbanks, which Titmuss (sp?) shows work better with volunteers' blood than with market-type (price-signal) motivation. Frey doesn't think that intrinsic motivation is the whole story. He thinks it applies only in some social contexts. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Market motivation
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:40:37 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes: Frey has done all sorts of interesting work on the subject. In some recent articles, he has shown how Swiss citizens were more willing to accept toxic waste dumps when the government did not offer to compensate them. Similar to the behavior of blood donors. Bill
Re: Market motivation
andie nachgeborenen wrote: Is the sugfgestion that the sexual favors of young men are like toxic waste? Well, ladies, whaddya think? Are we that bad? waitaminit! are you calling yourself a young man? ;-) ;-) --ravi
