Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message -
From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 They are private companies, but the enormous scope of their influence
comes
 largely as a result of their government-conferred power.

 1. Who said it?
 2. What was the circumstances?
 3. Which private companies was s/he referring to?

 NO GOOGLING!

 Tom Walker
 604 255 4812

=

What, is Lieberman's staff lurking on Pen-L?




How about this one:

Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus,
when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law,
all the plundered classes try somehow to enter  by peaceful or
revolutionary means  into the making of laws. According to their degree
of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely
different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either
they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.

Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims
of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws! Until
that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common
practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to
a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes
universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by
universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society,
they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain
political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other
classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand
more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil
predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is
against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for
everyone to suffer a cruel retribution  some for their evilness, and some
for their lack of understanding.


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
 How about this one:

 Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims.

Frederic Bastiat, author of Economic Harmonies, criticised by Karl Marx.
Oops I googled to check if I got it correct. To my great surprise, I as a
naive young socialist was one day accosted in New Zealand by a woman  who
actually tried to sell me a copy of one of Bastiat's texts, in the street. I
had only read Marx's critique of Bastiat, not Bastiat himself, and declined
the offer, suspecting a petty-bourgeois sect. Big mistake for an aspiring
heterodox socialist.

J.


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Tom Walker
You googled? But you didn't answer 2. and 3.

Ian wrote:

What, is Lieberman's staff lurking on Pen-L?

Tom Walker
604 255 4812


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message -
From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 You googled? But you didn't answer 2. and 3.

 Ian wrote:

 What, is Lieberman's staff lurking on Pen-L?

===

No. Enron hearings iirc.


Ian


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Tom Walker
Ian wrote,

No. Enron hearings iirc.

That's two out of three. For the (partial) answer to number three, I'll
defer to NYT columnist, Thomas Friedman's possibly hyperbolic reference:

There are two superpowers in the world today in my opinion. Theres the
United States and theres Moodys Bond Rating Service. The United States can
destroy you by dropping bombs, and Moodys can destroy you by downgrading
your bonds. And believe me, its not clear sometimes whos more powerful.

For extra credit now (an open-ended question): what are activist
groups/scholars/journalists doing to comprehend and contest the superpower
influence of these private companies with government-conferred power?

(Hint: 1. the answer is not nothing and 2. I don't know the answer. That's
why I'm asking.)

Original questions:

 They are private companies, but the enormous scope of their influence
comes
 largely as a result of their government-conferred power.

 1. Who said it?
 2. What was the circumstances?
 3. Which private companies was s/he referring to?

Tom Walker
604 255 4812


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message -
From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] No Googling quiz


 Ian wrote,

 No. Enron hearings iirc.

 That's two out of three. For the (partial) answer to number three, I'll
 defer to NYT columnist, Thomas Friedman's possibly hyperbolic reference:

 There are two superpowers in the world today in my opinion. Theres the
 United States and theres Moodys Bond Rating Service. The United States
can
 destroy you by dropping bombs, and Moodys can destroy you by
downgrading
 your bonds. And believe me, its not clear sometimes whos more
powerful.

 For extra credit now (an open-ended question): what are activist
 groups/scholars/journalists doing to comprehend and contest the
superpower
 influence of these private companies with government-conferred power?

 (Hint: 1. the answer is not nothing and 2. I don't know the answer.
That's
 why I'm asking.)
===

Question 3 response readout:

The synaptic cluster 'you' are trying to access is quiescent at this
time, please diffuse more serotonin to the hypothalamic region to avoid
this response in the future.

For scholars try Timothy J Sinclair for starts...


Ian


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Max B. Sawicky
For extra credit now (an open-ended question): what are activist
groups/scholars/journalists doing to comprehend and contest the superpower
influence of these private companies with government-conferred power?

(Hint: 1. the answer is not nothing and 2. I don't know the answer. That's
why I'm asking.)



Organizing to free Mumia?

(Sorry.  We kid because we love.)

No, the answer is global regulation, notwithstanding the problem
that we can't get national regulation.

mbs


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message -
From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] No Googling quiz


 For extra credit now (an open-ended question): what are activist
 groups/scholars/journalists doing to comprehend and contest the
superpower
 influence of these private companies with government-conferred power?

 (Hint: 1. the answer is not nothing and 2. I don't know the answer.
That's
 why I'm asking.)



 Organizing to free Mumia?

 (Sorry.  We kid because we love.)

 No, the answer is global regulation, notwithstanding the problem
 that we can't get national regulation.

 mbs

=

Well, via UNCITRAL  WTO [esp. the deepening of GATS] they're setting up
the regulation of us and further constraining our ability of regulate
them. Privatization is the consummate euphemism for asset stripping.


Ian


No Googling quiz

2003-07-17 Thread Tom Walker
They are private companies, but the enormous scope of their influence comes
largely as a result of their government-conferred power.

1. Who said it?
2. What was the circumstances?
3. Which private companies was s/he referring to?

NO GOOGLING!

Tom Walker
604 255 4812


Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-17 Thread Michael Perelman
sounds like Ian.

On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:51:54PM -0700, Tom Walker wrote:
 They are private companies, but the enormous scope of their influence comes
 largely as a result of their government-conferred power.

 1. Who said it?
 2. What was the circumstances?
 3. Which private companies was s/he referring to?

 NO GOOGLING!

 Tom Walker
 604 255 4812

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]