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Louis not quite here. It was only with the onset of the Cotton Famine that they began to take the environment seriously. I have written in my Marx book that he took the environment more seriously than he let on because he feared giving too much credence to the Malthusians. Louis Proyect wrote: Marx and Engels wrote about the relationship between society and nature throughout their career. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901
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Richard Duchesne: Not trying to tease - and would rather have this post ignored - but really, how can anyone try to make Marx into some ecologist just on the basis of a few pages in Capital on soil fertility. Foster would accomplish alot more if he stop projecting his own thoughts onto Marx, and simply present them as his own. Duchesne clearly hasn't read Paul Burkett's research on Marx, Engels, and ecology, including Paul's recent book. Perhaps it's too boring a book for Ricardo, though, since it's very scholarly. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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I would have to side with Lou here. Marx did write about the relations between society and nature throughout his career. Otherwise, it is impossible to discuss human labour. His life long interest in the works of Aristotle and Hegel indicate that. That is not the same as saying that "took the environment seriously." Rod Hay Michael Perelman wrote: Louis not quite here. It was only with the onset of the Cotton Famine that they began to take the environment seriously. I have written in my Marx book that he took the environment more seriously than he let on because he feared giving too much credence to the Malthusians. Louis Proyect wrote: Marx and Engels wrote about the relationship between society and nature throughout their career. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 -- Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] The History of Economic Thought Archive http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html Batoche Books http://Batoche.co-ltd.net/ 52 Eby Street South Kitchener, Ontario N2G 3L1 Canada
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Rod, what Marx wrote early on about nature was relatively utopian and naive. Only after the US Civil war did he begin to look more deeply. Rod Hay wrote: I would have to side with Lou here. Marx did write about the relations between society and nature throughout his career. Otherwise, it is impossible to discuss human labour. His life long interest in the works of Aristotle and Hegel indicate that. That is not the same as saying that "took the environment seriously." Rod Hay Michael Perelman wrote: Louis not quite here. It was only with the onset of the Cotton Famine that they began to take the environment seriously. I have written in my Marx book that he took the environment more seriously than he let on because he feared giving too much credence to the Malthusians. Louis Proyect wrote: Marx and Engels wrote about the relationship between society and nature throughout their career. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 -- Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] The History of Economic Thought Archive http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html Batoche Books http://Batoche.co-ltd.net/ 52 Eby Street South Kitchener, Ontario N2G 3L1 Canada -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901
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Michael. I am making a distinction between writing about nature and writing about the environment. What he wrote about nature or more correctly about the mediate and immediate relations of purposeful human activity to nature (i.e. labour), is on a fairly abstract philosophical level. When he wrote about soil fertility, he is dealing with the more practical influence of human society on nature. So there is no necessary contradiction between what you wrote and what Lou wrote. Rod Hay Michael Perelman wrote: Rod, what Marx wrote early on about nature was relatively utopian and naive. Only after the US Civil war did he begin to look more deeply. Rod Hay wrote: I would have to side with Lou here. Marx did write about the relations between society and nature throughout his career. Otherwise, it is impossible to discuss human labour. His life long interest in the works of Aristotle and Hegel indicate that. That is not the same as saying that "took the environment seriously." Rod Hay Michael Perelman wrote: Louis not quite here. It was only with the onset of the Cotton Famine that they began to take the environment seriously. I have written in my Marx book that he took the environment more seriously than he let on because he feared giving too much credence to the Malthusians. Louis Proyect wrote: Marx and Engels wrote about the relationship between society and nature throughout their career. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 -- Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] The History of Economic Thought Archive http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html Batoche Books http://Batoche.co-ltd.net/ 52 Eby Street South Kitchener, Ontario N2G 3L1 Canada -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 -- Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] The History of Economic Thought Archive http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html Batoche Books http://Batoche.co-ltd.net/ 52 Eby Street South Kitchener, Ontario N2G 3L1 Canada
