Re: Susceptibility to Marx
"From each according to his need..." I believe that Marx got it from Louis Blanc who adapted a slightly different notion from the St. Simonists. The basic idea is biblical. Tom Walker 604 255 4812
Re: Susceptibility to Marx
Barkley Rosser wrote: I'm not sure where it originates from, but I have heard it claimed that Marx and Engels said that distribution under socialism was to be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work." If I recall correctly, the phrase is Stalinist in origin and may even have been included in the 1936 Constitution. Trotsky criticized it most severely, arguing that making livelihood dependent on some measure of "work" is the essence of the unfreedom that makes contribution according to "ability" impossible as a universal rule until the abundance characteristic of the "higher stage of communism" had been achieved. Shane Mage "Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
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I'm not sure where it originates from, but I have heard it claimed that Marx and Engels said that distribution under socialism was to be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work." Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Forstater, Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Susceptibility to Marx I didn't think they were talking about capitalism, Ellen, I thought this was for socialism. Mat From: Ellen Frank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the line "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" as coming from the US Constitution. I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx and Engels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution is based on ability? Ellen >
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Didn't other polls find that people thought that measure from the bill of rights were communist laws. On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 10:09:01AM -0400, Ellen Frank wrote: > Doug > >wrote: > > > >That's an outrageous policy, of course, but if I were on mainstream > >TV, I wouldn't use "capitalist" or "capitalism" either - I'd opt for > >more acceptable euphemisms. I've found over the years that lots of > >ordinary people are susceptible to Marxist analyses as long as they > >don't know that's what they're hearing. > > > I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the > line "from each according to his ability to each according to his > need" as coming from the US Constitution. > > I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx and > Engels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution is > based on ability? > > Ellen > > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Look it up in Hal Draper's KM Theory of Revolution -- he'll tell you more about these maxims than you want to know. The contribution principle is obviously ancient and standard. The needs principle may be novel, at least in formulation. jks"Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "from each according to ability, to each according to contribution" is the official ideology of capitalism but to Marx might _really_ be applied in the lower level of communism. "from each according to ability, to each according to need" is the slogan of higher-level communism. I'm pretty sure that both of these slogans (from CRITIQUE OF THE GOTHA PROGRAM) come from another author and were generally used in the French socialist movements at the time. Marx tried to connect all of his abstract analyses to what was happening in the world. Jim -Original Message- From: andie nachgeborenen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/17/2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Susceptibility to Marx Doug: > I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the line "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" as coming from the US Constitution. * * * I've seen that too. Also, I have seen classroom full of fairly conservative Ohio State freshmen spontaneously generate the principles (or something very close) as the correct principle of justice. > Ellen: I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx and Engels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution is based on ability? * * * No, that's the principle of the higher phase of communism. The principle of the lower phase, which Marx (not Engels, this is the Critoque of the Gotha Program) claims the bourgeois principle that is unrealizable in capitalist society, is the contribution principle, To each according to his ability. So Marx thinks that capitalist ideology holds that distribution, or anyway remuneration, ought to be according to ability. Surely that is right, no? I mean, that is the ideology. jks _ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://rd.yahoo.com/evt=1207/*http://promo.yahoo.c om/sbc/> - Now only $29.95 per month! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
Re: Susceptibility to Marx
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Susceptibility to Marx "from each according to ability, to each according to contribution" is the official ideology of capitalism but to Marx might _really_ be applied in the lower level of communism. "from each according to ability, to each according to need" is the slogan of higher-level communism. I'm pretty sure that both of these slogans (from CRITIQUE OF THE GOTHA PROGRAM) come from another author and were generally used in the French socialist movements at the time. Marx tried to connect all of his abstract analyses to what was happening in the world. Jim -Original Message- From: andie nachgeborenen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/17/2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Susceptibility to Marx Doug: > I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the line "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" as coming from the US Constitution. * * * I've seen that too. Also, I have seen classroom full of fairly conservative Ohio State freshmen spontaneously generate the principles (or something very close) as the correct principle of justice. > Ellen: I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx and Engels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution is based on ability? * * * No, that's the principle of the higher phase of communism. The principle of the lower phase, which Marx (not Engels, this is the Critoque of the Gotha Program) claims the bourgeois principle that is unrealizable in capitalist society, is the contribution principle, To each according to his ability. So Marx thinks that capitalist ideology holds that distribution, or anyway remuneration, ought to be according to ability. Surely that is right, no? I mean, that is the ideology. jks _ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://rd.yahoo.com/evt=1207/*http://promo.yahoo.c om/sbc/> - Now only $29.95 per month!
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Ellen wrote: >I recall reading some poll results where a majority >identified the line "from each according to his ability >to each according to his need" as coming from the US >Constitution. You might mean a 1987 Boston Globe magazine poll which claimed that about half the American population believes that the U.S. Constitution is the source of Marx's phrase, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..." As to your quote's source beyond Marx and the TV camera (that is, predating them)... I think it traces back to Henri de Saint-Simon and his paper who said something like it: "From everyone according to his capacity, to every capacity according to its work." Nothing is created whole cloth. As Michael once put it, Marx "nudged" it along. Ken. -- Nihil est in intelleectu, nisi prius fuerit insensu. -- Thomas Aquinas
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Doug: >I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified theline "from each according to his ability to each according to hisneed" as coming from the US Constitution. * * * I've seen that too. Also, I have seen classroom full of fairly conservative Ohio State freshmen spontaneously generate the principles (or something very close) as the correct principle of justice.> Ellen: I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx andEngels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution isbased on ability? * * * No, that's the principle of the higher phase of communism. The principle of the lower phase, which Marx (not Engels, this is the Critoque of the Gotha Program) claims the bourgeois principle that is unrealizable in capitalist society, is the contribution principle, To each according to his ability. So Marx thinks that capitalist ideology holds that distribution, or anyway remuneration, ought to be according to ability. Surely that is right, no? I mean, that is the ideology. jks Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
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I didn't think they were talking about capitalism, Ellen, I thought this was for socialism. Mat From: Ellen Frank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the line "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" as coming from the US Constitution. I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx and Engels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution is based on ability? Ellen >
Susceptibility to Marx
Doug >wrote: > >That's an outrageous policy, of course, but if I were on mainstream >TV, I wouldn't use "capitalist" or "capitalism" either - I'd opt for >more acceptable euphemisms. I've found over the years that lots of >ordinary people are susceptible to Marxist analyses as long as they >don't know that's what they're hearing. > I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the line "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" as coming from the US Constitution. I've always thought that an odd line, by the way. Are Marx and Engels suggesting that, in a capitalist economy, distribution is based on ability? Ellen >
