Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
How about wheat, corn, soybeans, kilowatt-hours, cement, etc., etc.,
etc., etc.,etc., etc., etc., etc.
How about vitamins, graphite electrodes, lysine, citric acid, gas
turbines, large transformers?
Pharmacueticals are a good example. Buying your drugs from Canada? Even
the US Senate is thinking of allowing that.
Gene Coyle

Doug Henwood wrote:

Michael Perelman wrote:

exactly.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:03:27PM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote:

Well, in the information age all we have is low marginal costs
 and high fixed costs, is it not?


How many commodities does that apply to? There's software,
entertainment products, and...?
Doug



Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-23 Thread Michael Perelman
There is another tweak to the idea.  In some cases, modern information
technology has reduced the marginal cost of some superficial forms of
variety.  So, for example, it magazines can print something personalized
for you in their advertisements or automobile companies can vary the color
scheme on new cars.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:25:51AM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
 Michael Perelman wrote:

 exactly.
 
 On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:03:27PM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote:
 
   Well, in the information age all we have is low marginal costs
and high fixed costs, is it not?

 How many commodities does that apply to? There's software,
 entertainment products, and...?

 Doug

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Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-23 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





Is there empirical evidence that the problem of low marginal costs and high fixed costs is so important to the economy that it changes the over-all dynamics of the economy?

BTW, I hope no-one is trying to reduce _all_ of the problems of the capitalist market to this single problem. There are lots of other reasons to expect competitive markets to fail, e.g., externalities and adverse selection. 


Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine





 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:07 AM
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 There is another tweak to the idea. In some cases, modern information
 technology has reduced the marginal cost of some superficial forms of
 variety. So, for example, it magazines can print something 
 personalized
 for you in their advertisements or automobile companies can 
 vary the color
 scheme on new cars.
 
 On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:25:51AM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
  Michael Perelman wrote:
 
  exactly.
  
  On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:03:27PM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote:
  
   Well, in the information age all we have is low marginal costs
and high fixed costs, is it not?
 
  How many commodities does that apply to? There's software,
  entertainment products, and...?
 
  Doug
 
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 Economics Department
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 Chico, CA 95929
 
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Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim, you are absolutely correct on both counts.  I tried to make that
point in my much-maligned book, The Natural Instability of Markets.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 09:10:12AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
 Is there empirical evidence that the problem of low marginal costs and high
 fixed costs is so important to the economy that it changes the over-all
 dynamics of the economy?

 BTW, I hope no-one is trying to reduce _all_ of the problems of the
 capitalist market to this single problem. There are lots of other reasons to
 expect competitive markets to fail, e.g., externalities and adverse
 selection.

 
 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:07 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market competition fails again
 
 
  There is another tweak to the idea.  In some cases, modern information
  technology has reduced the marginal cost of some superficial forms of
  variety.  So, for example, it magazines can print something
  personalized
  for you in their advertisements or automobile companies can
  vary the color
  scheme on new cars.
 
  On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:25:51AM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
   Michael Perelman wrote:
  
   exactly.
   
   On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:03:27PM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote:
   
 Well, in the information age all we have is low marginal costs
  and high fixed costs, is it not?
  
   How many commodities does that apply to? There's software,
   entertainment products, and...?
  
   Doug
 
  --
  Michael Perelman
  Economics Department
  California State University
  Chico, CA 95929
 
  Tel. 530-898-5321
  E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

--
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Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-22 Thread Sabri Oncu
Michael:

 I suspect that when you have a low marginal cost, high
 fixed cost situation, markets lead to a lowest common
 demoninator outcome.

I would call the above the weaker form of Michael's law. The
stronger form is free from the first three words. I keep using
the stronger form against my debaters, some of whom are well
trained economists, and usually get them confused utterly. It
works best against the so-called new leftists who claim that
everything has changed and we now live in the information age.

Well, in the information age all we have is low marginal costs
and high fixed costs, is it not?

Best,

Sabri


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-22 Thread Michael Perelman
exactly.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:03:27PM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote:

 Well, in the information age all we have is low marginal costs
 and high fixed costs, is it not?

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

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market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: market competition fails again





From The war, brought to you by the White House by John Willis, Friday June 20, 2003, The Guardian: The lesson from America is that, if news and public affairs are left purely to the market, it will most likely give the government what it wants.

it would be a useful to create a list of all of the different situations in which market competition leads to bad results of various sorts. 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine






Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Michael Perelman
I suspect that when you have a low marginal cost, high fixed cost
situation, markets lead to a lowest common demoninator outcome.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:32:08AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
 From The war, brought to you by the White House by John Willis, Friday
 June 20, 2003, The Guardian: The lesson from America is that, if news and
 public affairs are left purely to the market, it will most likely give the
 government what it wants.

 it would be a useful to create a list of all of the different situations in
 which market competition leads to bad results of various sorts.

 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine



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Economics Department
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Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Ian Murray
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 From The war, brought to you by the White House by John Willis, Friday
 June 20, 2003, The Guardian: The lesson from America is that, if news
and
 public affairs are left purely to the market, it will most likely give
the
 government what it wants.

===

Doesn't the above assertion naively imply that news 'makers'  [the
networks] ought not have Machiavellian motivations themselves, some which
mesh with Gov. policies and some which don't?



 it would be a useful to create a list of all of the different situations
in
 which market competition leads to bad results of various sorts.




Bad results for who? Didn't the networks make some serious $ from
advertisers?


Just askin'


Ian


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





I wrote: 
  it would be a useful to create a list of all of the 
 different situations
 in
  which market competition leads to bad results of various sorts.


Ian wries:
 Bad results for who? Didn't the networks make some serious $ from
 advertisers?


for whom? for everyday people (i.e., consumers and/or workers), of course. 


It's true, however, that a useful exercise for students is to apply the he who pays the piper calls the tune principle to the privately-owned media, in which case the consumers are the advertisers, not the viewers. Of course, you could expand the definition of cost to say that for the viewers, the price of TV is the ads (plus the fees for cable or satellite connection, etc.) 

Jim





Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Ian Murray
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:57 AM
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 I wrote:
   it would be a useful to create a list of all of the
  different situations
  in
   which market competition leads to bad results of various sorts.

 Ian wries:
  Bad results for who? Didn't the networks make some serious $ from
  advertisers?

 for whom? for everyday people (i.e., consumers and/or workers), of
course.


=

Well if we're moving beyond the case suggested from your quoting of the
Guardian piece, wouldn't the list be as long as all the things that go
wrong with the human body as a result of living?



Ian


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





sure. 



Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine





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 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:15 AM
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 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market competition fails again
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market competition fails again
 
 
  I wrote:
it would be a useful to create a list of all of the
   different situations
   in
which market competition leads to bad results of various sorts.
 
  Ian wries:
   Bad results for who? Didn't the networks make some serious $ from
   advertisers?
 
  for whom? for everyday people (i.e., consumers and/or workers), of
 course.
 
 
 =
 
 Well if we're moving beyond the case suggested from your 
 quoting of the
 Guardian piece, wouldn't the list be as long as all the things that go
 wrong with the human body as a result of living?
 
 
 
 Ian
 





Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





Doug writes:
 The argument that Bourdieu made in On Television deserves wider
 circulation: that competition leads not to diversity, but to
 sameness, and not to niche marketing, but lowest-common-denominator
 mass marketing. He applied it to TV, but it's true of more fields
 than that.


Frank  Cook's THE WINNER-TAKE-ALL SOCIETY seems to make this argument, too. (It's a radical book in many ways, until the policy conclusions are addressed: they advocate a consumption tax to replace the income tax.)

Jim





Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote:

From The war, brought to you by the White House by John Willis,
Friday June 20, 2003, The Guardian: The lesson from America is
that, if news and public affairs are left purely to the market, it
will most likely give the government what it wants.
it would be a useful to create a list of all of the different
situations in which market competition leads to bad results of
various sorts.
The argument that Bourdieu made in On Television deserves wider
circulation: that competition leads not to diversity, but to
sameness, and not to niche marketing, but lowest-common-denominator
mass marketing. He applied it to TV, but it's true of more fields
than that.
Doug


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





Doug writes:
 The argument that Bourdieu made in On Television deserves wider
 circulation: that competition leads not to diversity, but to
 sameness, and not to niche marketing, but lowest-common-denominator
 mass marketing. He applied it to TV, but it's true of more fields
 than that.


can I ask how B defines the lowest common denominator? and theoretically speaking, why does it prevail in TV? 


(I have no doubt that it does in practice, but that's another question.) 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine





Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote:
Doug writes:
  The argument that Bourdieu made in On Television deserves wider
  circulation: that competition leads not to diversity, but to
  sameness, and not to niche marketing, but lowest-common-denominator
  mass marketing. He applied it to TV, but it's true of more fields
  than that.
Frank  Cook's THE WINNER-TAKE-ALL SOCIETY seems to make this argument,
too. (It's a radical book in many ways, until the policy conclusions
are addressed: they advocate a consumption tax to replace the income tax.)
Jim
This seems like a false dichotomy to me. The issue we are dealing with
is not competition versus monopoly, since the concentration of media
ownership in fewer and fewer hands, which might be described as
oligopoly at this point, is driven by *competition* itself. If you
don't think that Clear Channel is competing ferociously to control
larger and larger shares of the market, then you haven't been following
recent trends.
Competition is really a red herring, as far as people like Robert
McChesney are concerned. His main idea is to struggle to preserve
*public* voices such as the Internet before they succumb to market
forces, as radio did in the 1920s. This also means fighting to keep
Pacifica radio accountable to its listeners, even as PBS and NPR were
causes lost ago.
That being said, we are dealing with the effects of *media
concentration*. Last night, PBS had a show about the emergence of FM
rock jocks in the 1960s. When I lived in Boston in the early 1970s, I
used to listen to a station that mixed together Bob Dylan, English folk
rock, Mississippi blues and gypsy guitar on the deejay's whim. Even
though this was a commercial station with a powerful signal, there was
probably no more than 10 minutes worth of commercials per hour.
In NYC during this period one could listen to WNCN, an all-classical
station that was home to an extraordinary figure who went by the single
name Watson. He came on at midnight and would play The Well Tempered
Clavier in its entirety. Immediately after it was finished, he would
say, That sounded so wonderful, I am going to play it again. And he did.
In the 1950s, one could watch live drama two or three nights a week.
Playhouse Ninety. Rod Serling's Requiem for a Heavyweight was aired
there originally, as was Judgement at Nuremburg. I can say without
hesitation that there is *no* made-for-tv movie from today that can
compete with this.
My parents subscribed to at least five magazines in the 1950s: Colliers,
Look, Life, Pageant and Coronet. Ernest Hemingway was a regular
contributor to Colliers and Stanley Kubrick was a photo-journalist for
the relatively glitzy Look before he became a film maker. We also
enjoyed the NY Post in the evening, a newspaper whose New Deal editorial
viewpoint was flushed down the toilet when media mogul Rupert Murdoch
took over.
Okay, there is nobody on the planet more competitive than Rupert Murdoch
so it begs the question to say that we are against competition as such.
What we are dealing with is the crowding out of diversity as ownership
is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. But to repeat: it is
competition itself that is driving this process.
Robert McChesney:
MEDIA CONCENTRATION IS NOT A NEW PHENOMENON, but it has accelerated
dramatically in the last decade, and it is taking a new and dangerous form.
Classically, media concentration was in the form of horizontal
integration, where a handful of firms tried to control as much
production in their particular fields as possible. The U.S. film
production industry, for instance, has been a tight-knit club
effectively controlled by six or seven studios since the 1930s. That
remains the case today: The six largest U.S. firms accounted for more
than 90 percent of U.S. theater revenues in 1997. All but sixteen of
Hollywood's 148 widely distributed films in 1997 were produced by these
six firms, and many of those sixteen were produced by companies that had
distribution deals with one of the six majors.
The newspaper industry underwent a spectacular consolidation from the
1960s to the 1980s, leaving half a dozen major chains ruling the roost.
U.S. book publishing is now dominated by seven firms, the music industry
by five, cable TV by six. Nearly all of these are now parts of vast
media conglomerates.
That's why looking at specific media sectors fails to convey the extent
or the nature of the system today, for no longer are media firms intent
on horizontal integration. Today, they seek vertical integration, not
only producing content but also owning distribution. Moreover, they are
major players in media sectors not traditionally thought to be related.
These conglomerates own some combination of television networks, TV show
production, TV stations, movie studios, cable channels, cable systems,
music companies, magazines, newspapers, and book publishing firms.
This has all come about seemingly overnight. In 1983, Ben Bagdikian
published The Media Monopoly (Beacon, 1984), which 

Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again



 A consumption tax on luxuries, not a 
general consumption tax.
Rather big difference there.
Barkley Rosser

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Devine, James 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market competition 
  fails again
  
  Doug writes:  The argument that 
  Bourdieu made in On Television deserves wider  
  circulation: that competition leads not to diversity, but to  sameness, and not to niche marketing, but 
  lowest-common-denominator  mass marketing. He 
  applied it to TV, but it's true of more fields  
  than that. 
  Frank  Cook's THE WINNER-TAKE-ALL SOCIETY seems to make 
  this argument, too. (It's a radical book in many ways, until the "policy 
  conclusions" are addressed: they advocate a consumption tax to replace the 
  income tax.)
  Jim 


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times Magazine, June 22, 2003
THE WAY WE LIVE NOW
Signals From Nowhere
By WALTER KIRN

I used to take a long road trip every year or two, usually in the middle
of the summer, with no fixed schedule or specific destination, just a
vague intention to try new foods and admire the changing scenery. And
though I always took along an atlas, I rarely used it. I navigated by
radio.
You used to be able to do that in America: chart your course by the
accents, news and songs streaming in from the nearest AM transmitter. A
drawling update on midday cattle prices meant I was in Wyoming or
Nebraska. A guttural rant about city-hall corruption told me I'd reach
Chicago within the hour. A soaring, rhythmic sermon on fornication --
Welcome to Alabama. The music, too. Texas swing in the Southwest oil
country. Polka in North Dakota. Nonstop Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and
Jethro Tull in the Minneapolis-St. Paul suburbs. What's more, the
invisible people who introduced the songs gave the impression that they
listened to them at home. They were locals, with local tastes.
I felt like a modern Walt Whitman on those drives. When I turned on the
radio, I heard America singing, even in the dumb banter of ''morning
zoo'' hosts. But then last summer, rolling down a highway somewhere
between Montana and Wisconsin, something new happened. I lost my way,
and the radio couldn't help me find it. I twirled the dial, but the
music and the announcers all sounded alike, drained, disconnected from
geography, reshuffling the same pop playlists and canned bad jokes.
What a miserable trip. I heard America droning.

Recently, I found out whom to blame: a company called Clear Channel
Communications. The mammoth buyer and consolidator of hundreds of
independent local radio stations -- along with its smaller competitors,
Infinity Broadcasting and Cumulus Media -- is body-snatching America's
sonic soul, turning Whitman's vivacious democratic cacophony into a
monotonous numbing hum.
No matter where a person lives these days (particularly in Minot, N.D.,
where Clear Channel runs all six commercial stations in town), he's
probably within range of an affiliate, if not three or four, since the
company buys in bulk: pop stations, rock stations, talk stations, the
works. Worse, quite a few of these stations don't really exist -- not in
the old sense. They're automated pods, downloading their programming
from satellites linked to centralized, far-off studios where announcers
who have never even set foot in Tucson, Little Rock, Akron or Boston --
take your pick -- rattle off promos and wisecracks by the hundreds, then
flip a switch and beam them to your town as if they're addressing its
residents personally, which they aren't. They don't even know the
weather there.
What results is a transcontinental shower of sound that seems to issue
from heaven itself, like the edicts of the Wizard of Oz. In a way that
other media companies can only dream of (though a controversial recent
F.C.C. rule change permitting concentrated corporate ownership of
television stations may eventually make these dreams true), Clear
Channel controls its portion of the airwaves as thoroughly as Britannia
once ruled the oceans. Even the F.C.C. has faced this fact, which may be
why, of all the broadcast media it is allowing to clump together for
market share, it made one pointed exception: radio. Clear Channel holds
no monopoly by any means -- its nearly 1,250 stations represent only 10
percent or so of the national total -- but considering that the company
was founded only in 1996, its growth rate is astonishing. If given
another 10 years to spread unchecked, Clear Channel might cover the dial
from end to end, not just in some cities, but coast to coast. America
would be one big Minot then, with literally nowhere to turn except Clear
Channel.
This prospect might not be so troubling if radio weren't the most
intensely intimate of all electronic media, forging a bond between
broadcaster and listener that feels, even though it's not real, like
true companionship. Though TV news anchors like to fancy themselves as
guests in their audience's living rooms, they sit behind an impenetrable
wall of glass that no amount of feigned eye contact can overcome.
Between TV and TV land there's always a fence, but radio creates a
different landscape -- open, inclusive, neighborly. When a D.J. asks a
trivia question and promises concert tickets to the fifth caller who
answers correctly, my urge to pick up the phone is instantaneous, as is
my urge to wait to hear who won, in case I know him, and very often I
do. This sense of connection is fragile, though. Bounce it off an
orbiting satellite, cut it with generic pretaped humor bits, then filter
it through some distant corporate headquarters, and radioland will be a
land of strangers.
Clear Channel's critics -- who multiply each day, it seems -- tend to
come from the political left. Their big beef is the network's supposed
conservative bias, which, for 

Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again



FC
advocate a luxury tax? Then I forgot what they said. But my point was that their
policy was pretty mild compared to the implications of their
critique.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine 

  -Original Message-From: Barkley Rosser
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:09
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market
  competition fails again
   A consumption tax on luxuries, not
  a general consumption tax.
  Rather big difference there.
  Barkley Rosser
  
- Original Message - 
From:
Devine, James

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:28
PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market competition
fails again

Doug writes:  The argument that
Bourdieu made in On Television deserves wider 
circulation: that competition leads not to diversity, but to
 sameness, and not to niche marketing, but
lowest-common-denominator  mass marketing. He
applied it to TV, but it's true of more fields 
than that. 
Frank  Cook's THE WINNER-TAKE-ALL SOCIETY seems to make
this argument, too. (It's a radical book in many ways, until the "policy
conclusions" are addressed: they advocate a consumption tax to replace the
income tax.)
Jim 


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





I wrote:
  Frank  Cook's THE WINNER-TAKE-ALL SOCIETY seems to make 
 this argument,
  too. (It's a radical book in many ways, until the policy 
 conclusions
  are addressed: they advocate a consumption tax to replace 
 the income tax.)


 This seems like a false dichotomy to me. The issue we are dealing with
 is not competition versus monopoly, since the 
 concentration of media
 ownership in fewer and fewer hands, which might be described as
 oligopoly at this point, is driven by *competition* itself. If you
 don't think that Clear Channel is competing ferociously to control
 larger and larger shares of the market, then you haven't been 
 following recent trends.


To Marx, this was a false dichotomy, too: competition produced monopoly and monopoly produced competition, as part of an ever-changing system. The changing form of the competitive seeking of monopoly positions doesn't abolish capitalism as an exploitative, authoritarian, and alienating system. 

But in the context of this thread, competition means pretty much the same as neo-liberalism, i.e., loosening up government controls (as the FCC voted recently for television and radio) and the privatization of government programs (i.e. privatization of profits  socialization of losses and risks). My point here was simply that _even if_ this kind of movement were successful in its official goal of increasing competition (without simply engendering increased monopoly), it would likely fail to serve people's needs. This has a lot to do with the persistence of class society that Marx pointed to. But it also has to do with some basic failings of markets that orthodox economics doesn't want to deal with seriously, e.g., the tendency for the lowest common denominator to dominate.

Jim





Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote:

can I ask how B defines the lowest common denominator? and
theoretically speaking, why does it prevail in TV?
I reviewed Bourdieu's book at
http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Why_TV_sucks.html. Here's a
relevant bit:
TV moves fast, especially commercial TV, where a minute can be worth
a million dollars. In news, then, speed of thought and language are
prized, meaning, says Bourdieu, no real communication can take
place. Real communication, and real thought, take time; what can be
done in an instant is only to pay homage to received ideas. TV loves
- and it's amazing how instinctive one's idea is of just what is
right or wrong for TV - fast thinkers, who aren't really thinking
at all. And, as other forms of culture sell themselves, and
increasingly model themselves, on TV, the more they reward the glib
and telegenic, and imposing more market discipline on once
highminded zones.
Because they're so afraid of being boring, writes Bourdieu,
[producers] opt for confrontations over debates, prefer polemics
over rigorous argument, and in general, do whatever they can to
promote conflict. They prefer to confront individuals...instead of
confronting their arguments They direct attention to the game
and its players rather than to what is really at stake, because
these are the sources of their interest and expertise. The
journalists, far from wanting to expose the game, are among its
players and rulemakers. The reason that the press is so obsessed
with the horserace aspects of political campaigns rather than the
substance is because they know that it really is just a matter of
personalities, since all the players, journalists included, are in
agreement on the fundamental nature of the game
Doug


Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again





this makes sense. It's similar to the view (that I once heard in a US National Public Radio opinion piece) that competition on TV and the like is won by those who shout the loudest, are the most outrageous. Thus Howard Stern's success. Of course, even he can be (has been?) eclipsed by someone who's even more outrageous. 

Does economics have a technical term for this phenomenon? (adverse selection doesn't seem to fit...)



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 -Original Message-
 From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:22 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] market competition fails again
 
 
 Devine, James wrote:
 
 can I ask how B defines the lowest common denominator? and
 theoretically speaking, why does it prevail in TV?
 
 I reviewed Bourdieu's book at
 http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Why_TV_sucks.html. Here's a
 relevant bit:
 
 TV moves fast, especially commercial TV, where a minute can be worth
 a million dollars. In news, then, speed of thought and language are
 prized, meaning, says Bourdieu, no real communication can take
 place. Real communication, and real thought, take time; what can be
 done in an instant is only to pay homage to received ideas. TV loves
 - and it's amazing how instinctive one's idea is of just what is
 right or wrong for TV - fast thinkers, who aren't really thinking
 at all. And, as other forms of culture sell themselves, and
 increasingly model themselves, on TV, the more they reward the glib
 and telegenic, and imposing more market discipline on once
 highminded zones.
 
 Because they're so afraid of being boring, writes Bourdieu,
 [producers] opt for confrontations over debates, prefer polemics
 over rigorous argument, and in general, do whatever they can to
 promote conflict. They prefer to confront individuals...instead of
 confronting their arguments They direct attention to the game
 and its players rather than to what is really at stake, because
 these are the sources of their interest and expertise. The
 journalists, far from wanting to expose the game, are among its
 players and rulemakers. The reason that the press is so obsessed
 with the horserace aspects of political campaigns rather than the
 substance is because they know that it really is just a matter of
 personalities, since all the players, journalists included, are in
 agreement on the fundamental nature of the game
 
 Doug