Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
[Pardon the tardiness--digging through old mail] At 3:39 PM -0400 7/22/02, Melvin Smith wrote: At 12:00 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:21:09AM +0100, Graham Barr wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Seems enough people are happy that 5.005 is obsolete. I am not sure I agree with that. I have been met with a lot of resistance from users todo the same with my modules. Some even still want 5.004, but thats asking too much IMO. In October 2000 I believed that 5.005 maintenance *is* important for the acceptance of perl6, and I still do now: I agree with this, and until there is a formal discussion and announcement I'm still assuming the minimum for Parrot is 5.005 (_03). Yep. 5.005_03 is the minimum required perl version. I'd like to hold that for as long as possible, if for no other reason than a fair number of folks are holding off installing 5.6.x because of various issues with the original 5.6.0 release. -- Dan --it's like this--- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
Sean O'Rourke wrote: -- languages/perl6 should work equally well with 5.005_03 and 5.6.1. s/should/does/ EOT ;-) /s leo
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
At 8:23 AM -0700 7/31/02, Sean O'Rourke wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Dan Sugalski wrote: [Pardon the tardiness--digging through old mail] At 3:39 PM -0400 7/22/02, Melvin Smith wrote: At 12:00 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:21:09AM +0100, Graham Barr wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Seems enough people are happy that 5.005 is obsolete. I am not sure I agree with that. I have been met with a lot of resistance from users todo the same with my modules. Some even still want 5.004, but thats asking too much IMO. In October 2000 I believed that 5.005 maintenance *is* important for the acceptance of perl6, and I still do now: I agree with this, and until there is a formal discussion and announcement I'm still assuming the minimum for Parrot is 5.005 (_03). Yep. 5.005_03 is the minimum required perl version. I'd like to hold that for as long as possible, if for no other reason than a fair number of folks are holding off installing 5.6.x because of various issues with the original 5.6.0 release. Just as an aside, the nested-six-deep statement up there is no longer true -- languages/perl6 should work equally well with 5.005_03 and 5.6.1. Really? Keen! Now if we could just kill every 5.6.0 install of perl so the assembler didn't croak on BASIC's generated assembly code... -- Dan --it's like this--- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Not true. The DBI supports 5.5.3. The most recent release announcement did say: NOTE: Future versions of the DBI may not support for perl 5.5 much longer. : If you are still using perl 5.005_03 you should be making plans to : upgrade to at least perl 5.6.1, or 5.8.0. Perl 5.8.0 is due to be : released in the next week or so. (Although it's a point 0 release, : it is the most throughly tested release ever.) But that's just a shot across the bows alerting people to think about upgrading. I'm unlikely to actually require 5.6.1 for quite some time yet. Tim.
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Seems enough people are happy that 5.005 is obsolete. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://sam.vilain.net/ 7D74 2A09 B2D3 C30F F78E GPG: http://sam.vilain.net/sam.asc 278A A425 30A9 05B5 2F13 I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. J EDGAR HOOVER
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Seems enough people are happy that 5.005 is obsolete. I am not sure I agree with that. I have been met with a lot of resistance from users todo the same with my modules. Some even still want 5.004, but thats asking too much IMO. Graham.
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
Nicholas Clark wrote: In October 2000 I believed that 5.005 maintenance *is* important for the acceptance of perl6, and I still do now: Some minutes ago I sent a first patch to Sean, to make it work on 5.005_03. One reason of failure is shown by the following snippet: $ cat t1 #!/usr/bin/perl -wl use strict; my $r = qr( [-+] )ox; my $t = '+1'; print $t =~ / \A(?-imxs:$r) /ox ? yes : no; print $t =~ / \A(?-ims:$r) /ox ? yes : no; $ perl t1 no yes The output is yes/yes on 5.6.1. (Code similar to the above matching is generated in Perlgrammar.pm, but there should be a workaround by giving up some readability) leo
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:21:09AM +0100, Graham Barr wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Seems enough people are happy that 5.005 is obsolete. I am not sure I agree with that. I have been met with a lot of resistance from users todo the same with my modules. Some even still want 5.004, but thats asking too much IMO. Chip Salzenberg has (re)started work on a new maintenance release of 5.005 (ie 5.005_04). I think Tim Bunce said that the problem with DBI still supporting 5.005 was that 5.005_03 refuses to build on some current versions of OSes (such as the current stable FreeBSD). I think he implied (on p5p - check the archives) that if 5.005 maintenance made 5.005 work better, then he'd reconsider. In October 2000 I believed that 5.005 maintenance *is* important for the acceptance of perl6, and I still do now: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00977.html Nicholas Clark
Re: [PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
At 12:00 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:21:09AM +0100, Graham Barr wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade that to if you have 5.6, you lose. I notice that DBI no longer supports Perl releases 5.6. Seems enough people are happy that 5.005 is obsolete. I am not sure I agree with that. I have been met with a lot of resistance from users todo the same with my modules. Some even still want 5.004, but thats asking too much IMO. In October 2000 I believed that 5.005 maintenance *is* important for the acceptance of perl6, and I still do now: I agree with this, and until there is a formal discussion and announcement I'm still assuming the minimum for Parrot is 5.005 (_03). At some point we will have bootstrapped Parrot and its languages enough that we can start writing _with_ Parrot, so then all you will need to build is the Parrot VM. That'll be fun. :) -Melvin
[PRE-RELEASE] Release of 0.0.7 tomorrow evening
As the message says. Code freeze tonight at midnight EDT (GMT-0400). I'll be tagging with PRE_REL_0.0.7 then. Features to be included: Perl 6 grammar Partial perl6 compiler Pure-perl assembler Heavily patched and upgraded intermediate language Massive patching in general, cleaned-up PMCs. FORTH :) If anyone can give me a good reason why we shouldn't release (short of show-stopping bugs c) then speak before 2000GMT or until tomorrow hold h(er|is) peace. -- Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
