Re: Logo considerations

2009-03-25 Thread James Fuller
to further comment, I would never believe a logo actually influences
which programming languages one chooses to develop in ... but I would
argue that a logo needs to convey the right 'messages' to those who
pay for software projects ... as with any logo; my point is to
identify these messages prior to instantiation e.g. graphic design ...
though doing both ain't bad either.

here is a stab at some simple messages.

for developers: inclusive, easy to use, fast, powerful, linguistic
based, DIY, all computing paradigms allowed (func, proc, oo, etc),
fun, subversive

for wider audience: robust, trusted, straightforward, safe, supported

colors evoke meaning, shapes/animals, etc do as well ...

thats enough from the 'marketing corner' ... back to programming.

cheers, Jim Fuller



On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 21:10 +0100, James Fuller wrote:
 creating a logo by committee is probably the worst way to design such
 things ... perl6 logo will be seen in the context of other more
 professionally designed logos and like it or not using the basics of

 I hate the java stuff (professional).  I don't think much of the debian
 stuff either (amateur).  Some of the things suggested here have been
 pretty good.

 [snip]
 Is there any sponsorship money to spend on a very good graphic
 designer to create something based on a small list of requirements as
 to what meaning it should convey ?

 How was the parrot logo created ??  I saw a suggestion here that it is
 professionally designed but that wasn't confirmed.  It looks good enough
 to me regardless.

 I don't see a problem with a long list ...


 Of course the logo should represent the community fundamentally, but I
 find all of the suggestions little to do with addressing needs of a
 logo versus needs of what I would call more of a 'club' badge.

 ... I see the suggestions here as necessary input.


 I mention these concerns because I would like perl6 to be adopted to
 as wide a developer audience as possible.

 I don't think the logo will make much difference.

 I don't particularly care much about *what* the logo is or *how* it is
 created.  I've only been offering comments as feedback to the people who
 are actually working on it.  Beauty is better than not.


 my 2p, Jim Fuller

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Re: Logo considerations

2009-03-24 Thread James Fuller
creating a logo by committee is probably the worst way to design such
things ... perl6 logo will be seen in the context of other more
professionally designed logos and like it or not using the basics of
modern branding and marketing will result in something that is more
recognizable  no matter how much we may despise these kind of
techniques realize that commercial entities (which compete in some way
directly with perl6) will spendmillions on such activities and perl6
should consider at a minimum professional execution of a design.

Is there any sponsorship money to spend on a very good graphic
designer to create something based on a small list of requirements as
to what meaning it should convey ?

Of course the logo should represent the community fundamentally, but I
find all of the suggestions little to do with addressing needs of a
logo versus needs of what I would call more of a 'club' badge.

I mention these concerns because I would like perl6 to be adopted to
as wide a developer audience as possible.

my 2p, Jim Fuller

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Conrad Schneiker
conrad.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 From: Guy Hulbert [mailto:gwhulb...@eol.ca]
 On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 11:38 -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote:
  Here's my latest suggestion:
 
  http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm
 
  It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below)
  and Ross Kendall's suggestions at
  (http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas).
 
  For a smaller sized Rakudo logo,
  just remove the text between the proposed Perl 6 logo
  and the Parrot logo.

 For the small logo, you could super-impose the Parrot on top of the
 molecule ... and for pugs:
 http://www.bnpositive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/starwars-pugs.jpg

 That's awful!

 And outrageously hilarious.

 The Yoda image + molecule (aka hexa-flower) gets my vote for Pugs
 (although it's not my decision to make).

 Best regards,
 Conrad

 Conrad Schneiker
 www.AthenaLab.com