Re: [ADMIN] Setting up streaming replication w/ a big ole database

2012-04-10 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Wells Oliver wellsoli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey all, I have a question about streaming replication available in PG 9+

 The general configuration I see is along the lines of this:

 http://brandonkonkle.com/blog/2010/oct/20/postgres-9-streaming-replication-and-django-balanc/

 Where you do the file system backup and restore. However, our current server
 I wish to make master has a 75GB database. I can't take the server down, and
 I can't run rsync against the live DB.

You don't need to take the master down.  But you do need to run rsync.
 Note that rsync has a --bwlimit flag to reduce its impact on the
master.

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Re: [ADMIN] Setting up streaming replication w/ a big ole database

2012-04-10 Thread Wells Oliver
I admit to being scared as crap of rsync'ing a live database to another
server. Like chills are running down my spine even typing it. Is this an
approved, safe thing?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Scott Marlowe scott.marl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Wells Oliver wellsoli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all, I have a question about streaming replication available in PG 9+
 
  The general configuration I see is along the lines of this:
 
 
 http://brandonkonkle.com/blog/2010/oct/20/postgres-9-streaming-replication-and-django-balanc/
 
  Where you do the file system backup and restore. However, our current
 server
  I wish to make master has a 75GB database. I can't take the server down,
 and
  I can't run rsync against the live DB.

 You don't need to take the master down.  But you do need to run rsync.
  Note that rsync has a --bwlimit flag to reduce its impact on the
 master.




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Re: [ADMIN] Setting up streaming replication w/ a big ole database

2012-04-10 Thread Kevin Grittner
Wells Oliver wellsoli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I admit to being scared as crap of rsync'ing a live database to
 another server. Like chills are running down my spine even typing
 it. Is this an approved, safe thing?
 
It is fine, as long as you're doing it between the pg_start_backup()
and pg_stop_backup() calls.  We do it on 100 production databases
every week.  It is approved, documented, and safe.
 
-Kevin

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Re: [ADMIN] Setting up streaming replication w/ a big ole database

2012-04-10 Thread Robert Burgholzer
I've definitely done this, albeit with a 6-7 GB database.  I had
accomplished previous backups with pg_dump commands, that invariably
had to be restarted and took DAYS to complete.  The rsync method
achieved the backup within hours the first time, and you can do
subsequent backups in minutes (in case something happens to the normal
xlog copying - which for me has happened from time to time).

Fear is the mind killer - let it rip dude!

r.b.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Wells Oliver wellsoli...@gmail.com wrote:
 I admit to being scared as crap of rsync'ing a live database to another
 server. Like chills are running down my spine even typing it. Is this an
 approved, safe thing?


 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Scott Marlowe scott.marl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Wells Oliver wellsoli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all, I have a question about streaming replication available in PG
  9+
 
  The general configuration I see is along the lines of this:
 
 
  http://brandonkonkle.com/blog/2010/oct/20/postgres-9-streaming-replication-and-django-balanc/
 
  Where you do the file system backup and restore. However, our current
  server
  I wish to make master has a 75GB database. I can't take the server down,
  and
  I can't run rsync against the live DB.

 You don't need to take the master down.  But you do need to run rsync.
  Note that rsync has a --bwlimit flag to reduce its impact on the
 master.




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 Wells Oliver
 wellsoli...@gmail.com



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Re: [ADMIN] Setting up streaming replication w/ a big ole database

2012-04-10 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Grittner kevin.gritt...@wicourts.gov writes:
 Wells Oliver wellsoli...@gmail.com wrote:
 I admit to being scared as crap of rsync'ing a live database to
 another server. Like chills are running down my spine even typing
 it. Is this an approved, safe thing?
 
 It is fine, as long as you're doing it between the pg_start_backup()
 and pg_stop_backup() calls.  We do it on 100 production databases
 every week.  It is approved, documented, and safe.

Right.  It is true that the rsync alone will not give you a consistent
copy if the database is actively being modified.  The secret sauce is
in having a copy of all the WAL that was generated while the rsync
happened.  Replaying that against the copied data will apply (or
reapply) any changes that occurred meanwhile, thus fixing the
inconsistencies.

(I find that people are much more likely to believe that this works
once they grasp the principle.)

regards, tom lane

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