[DOCS] error in documentation?

2007-09-24 Thread Michael Cochez
In http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/tutorial-transactions.html
"After rolling back to a savepoint, it continues to be defined, so you can roll 
back to it several times. Conversely, if you are sure you won't need to roll 
back to a particular savepoint again, it can be released, so the system can 
free some resources. Keep in mind that either releasing or rolling back to a 
savepoint will automatically release all savepoints that were defined after it."
mustn't it be : 
"After rolling back to a savepoint, it continues to be defined, so you can roll 
back to it several times. Conversely, if you are sure you won't need to roll 
back to a particular savepoint again, it can be released, so the system can 
free some resources. Keep in mind that rolling back to a savepoint will 
automatically release all savepoints that were defined after it and releasing a 
savepoint will automatically release all savepoints defined before it."

if not, could you please explain why this decision is made?
thanks,
Michael
   
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Re: [DOCS] error in documentation?

2007-09-24 Thread Phil Frost


On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:03 , Michael Cochez wrote:

In http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/tutorial- 
transactions.html
"After rolling back to a savepoint, it continues to be defined, so  
you can roll back to it several times. Conversely, if you are sure  
you won't need to roll back to a particular savepoint again, it can  
be released, so the system can free some resources. Keep in mind  
that either releasing or rolling back to a savepoint will  
automatically release all savepoints that were defined after it."

mustn't it be :
"After rolling back to a savepoint, it continues to be defined, so  
you can roll back to it several times. Conversely, if you are sure  
you won't need to roll back to a particular savepoint again, it can  
be released, so the system can free some resources. Keep in mind  
that rolling back to a savepoint will automatically release all  
savepoints that were defined after it and releasing a savepoint  
will automatically release all savepoints defined before it."


if not, could you please explain why this decision is made?
thanks,
Michael



If I do:

savepoint one;
update foo set bar = 2;
savepoint two;
update baz set foo = 3;
savepoint three;
delete from foo;

Why would it make sense to release "one" if i release "two"? If I  
release "two", then it makes sense that I can never go back to "two"  
or "three", but your proposed change means that if I release "two", I  
can later rollback to "three" but not to "one". I don't see how  
that's useful.


Essentially what the docs say is that savepoints are created on a  
stack, and when you do something to to a savepoint "s", you  
implicitly do the same thing to all the other savepoints above "s".  
Or, if you think of them being nested:


savepoint one {
  update foo set bar = 2;
  savepoint two {
update baz set foo = 3;
savepoint three {
  delete from foo;
  ...
}
...
  }
  ...
}

then any operation on a savepoint also applies to any savepoints  
nested within it.


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Re: [DOCS] error in documentation?

2007-09-24 Thread Michael Cochez
My reasoning was :
Look to every query on a time line
savepoint 1
query 1

savepoint j
query j
.
savepoint n
query n

When I release savepoint j , I think 'everythin before savepoint j is ok and 
safe', and so I don't need the savepoints before savepoint j anymore (cause 
they're save) when I do a rollback to savepoint j, I say 'everything done after 
savepoint j is rubbish' so I don't need the savepoints after j anymore

Lets say I release savepoint j, why wouldn't it make sense to go back to 
savepoint j+1, (a state after the state beeing released).
I tought of releasing a savepoint as 'everything up to that savepoint is ok, 
I'm not yet shure about the queries coming next'

Michael

Phil Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If I do:

savepoint one;
update foo set bar = 2;
savepoint two;
update baz set foo = 3;
savepoint three;
delete from foo;

Why would it make sense to release "one" if i release "two"? If I  
release "two", then it makes sense that I can never go back to "two"  
or "three", but your proposed change means that if I release "two", I  
can later rollback to "three" but not to "one". I don't see how  
that's useful.

Essentially what the docs say is that savepoints are created on a  
stack, and when you do something to to a savepoint "s", you  
implicitly do the same thing to all the other savepoints above "s".  
Or, if you think of them being nested:

savepoint one {
   update foo set bar = 2;
   savepoint two {
 update baz set foo = 3;
 savepoint three {
   delete from foo;
   ...
 }
 ...
   }
   ...
}

then any operation on a savepoint also applies to any savepoints  
nested within it.


   
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