[DOCS] Update to FAQ

2008-04-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
To address naming issue.


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*** 105,114 
 company. To get involved, see the developer's FAQ at
 http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_DEV.html
 
!Postgres is a widely-used nickname for PostgreSQL. It was the original
!name of the project at Berkeley and is strongly preferred over other
!nicknames. If you find 'PostgreSQL' hard to pronounce, call it
!'Postgres' instead.
 
1.2) Who controls PostgreSQL?

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 company. To get involved, see the developer's FAQ at
 http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_DEV.html
 
!In November 2007 a classic Open Source debate took place on whether
!or not to change the name of the PostgreSQL project to Postgres.
!It was decided that Postgres would be an officially recognized 
!nickname but that the name would remain PostgreSQL. Postgres was 
!the original name of the project at Berkeley and is strongly 
!preferred over other nicknames. If you find 'PostgreSQL' hard 
!to pronounce, call it 'Postgres' instead.
!
 
1.2) Who controls PostgreSQL?


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Re: [DOCS] Update to FAQ

2008-04-08 Thread Bruce Momjian

I don't see the value in referencing a community discussion in the FAQ. 
What is the goal for this change?

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Re: [DOCS] Update to FAQ

2008-04-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane

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Joshua proposed:

!In November 2007 a classic Open Source debate took place on whether
!or not to change the name of the PostgreSQL project to Postgres.
!It was decided that Postgres would be an officially recognized
!nickname but that the name would remain PostgreSQL. Postgres was
!the original name of the project at Berkeley and is strongly
!preferred over other nicknames. If you find 'PostgreSQL' hard
!to pronounce, call it 'Postgres' instead.
!

The debate has certainly spread well before (and after) November 2007.
Not sure what makes it a "classic Open Source debate" either. Because
it was debated in the open? I think the "decision" was basically
Core's punting of making the tough but necessary decision to make
the project name pronounceable once again (if I can add some spin
of my own :). If we are going to say "It was decided", we need
to state who (Core) actually did the decreeing / deciding.

In case it wasn't clear, I'm not in support of changing the FAQ
as proposed above.

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Re: [DOCS] Update to FAQ

2008-04-08 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
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> Joshua proposed:
> 
> !In November 2007 a classic Open Source debate took place on whether
> !or not to change the name of the PostgreSQL project to Postgres.
> !It was decided that Postgres would be an officially recognized
> !nickname but that the name would remain PostgreSQL. Postgres was
> !the original name of the project at Berkeley and is strongly
> !preferred over other nicknames. If you find 'PostgreSQL' hard
> !to pronounce, call it 'Postgres' instead.
> !
> 
> The debate has certainly spread well before (and after) November 2007.
> Not sure what makes it a "classic Open Source debate" either. Because
> it was debated in the open? I think the "decision" was basically
> Core's punting of making the tough but necessary decision to make
> the project name pronounceable once again (if I can add some spin
> of my own :). If we are going to say "It was decided", we need
> to state who (Core) actually did the decreeing / deciding.
> 
> In case it wasn't clear, I'm not in support of changing the FAQ
> as proposed above.

In looking at it now I see the Berkeley sentence isn't necessary so I
just remove it.  (It was copied from the documentation.)  New text:

Postgres is a widely-used nickname for PostgreSQL.  If you find
'PostgreSQL' hard to pronounce, call it 'Postgres' instead.

Shorter is better in the FAQ.

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Re: [DOCS] Update to FAQ

2008-04-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
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"Greg Sabino Mullane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> !In November 2007 a classic Open Source debate took place on
> whether !or not to change the name of the PostgreSQL project to
> Postgres. !It was decided that Postgres would be an officially
> recognized !nickname but that the name would remain PostgreSQL.
> Postgres was !the original name of the project at Berkeley and is
> strongly !preferred over other nicknames. If you find
> 'PostgreSQL' hard !to pronounce, call it 'Postgres' instead.
> !
> 
> The debate has certainly spread well before (and after) November 2007.

The "decision" came down from core in 11/2007 which is why I referenced
it.

> Not sure what makes it a "classic Open Source debate" either.

Long winded, full of flames and pointless :P

> Because
> it was debated in the open? I think the "decision" was basically
> Core's punting of making the tough but necessary decision to make
> the project name pronounceable once again (if I can add some spin
> of my own :). If we are going to say "It was decided", we need
> to state who (Core) actually did the decreeing / deciding.

Dave Page:

http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2007-11/msg00109.php

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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