Re: [DOCS] Adding links to alternate versions of doc pages

2012-03-30 Thread Dave Page 
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Andy Lester  wrote:
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Dave Page wrote:
>
> The docs pages are rendered using the Django template here:
>
>
> That's a start.  Thanks.
>
> When I have questions about infrastructure, can I ask you for help, Dave?
>  Or should I keep posting stuff here to pgsql-docs?  I imagine it'll be
> pretty annoying having this list be our personal collaboration space.

You should post to pgsql-www. I don't really know Django/Python yet,
so won't be of much help.

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Re: [DOCS] Adding links to alternate versions of doc pages

2012-03-30 Thread Magnus Hagander 
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:58, Steve Atkins  wrote:
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> On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>> A related problem: At least a search on Google will usually find the
>> documentation of some old version.  A search on Bing, however, doesn't
>> find the documentation at all.  That indicates to me that there is
>> something seriously wrong in how the web site is constructed.

What we were told earlier was "just add a sitemap with relative
weights and that should fix it". Well, we now have a sitemap with
relative weights, and it has made pretty much no effect at all (but a
fair amount of work was unfortunately spent in building it :S)

We can use it to *remove* the older versions so it only hits on
current, but that's not really what we want.


> rel="canonical" is one way to tell search engines to look at one
> particular page as the canonical version.

We could make that for the root docs link, but is it generally smart
enough to realize that any sublinks in those docs are *also* the
canonical versions? I doubt it, but I don't know enough about
google...


> Having all the specific-version pages use that to point to the
> non-version URL might help.

Ah, you mean basically a link on every page going back to /current/?

That does bring back the whole problem of filenames/URLs being
different between different versions of course..


> The existing priority stuff in the sitemap should help with this,
> but it doesn't seem to.

Exactly.


> I'm assuming someone has checked the google webmaster
> tools reports for the site, to see if there's anything interesting
> there.

I have, and not found anything interesting. But I'm happy to admit I
don't really know what I'd be looking for :-)


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[DOCS] Is someone actively working on the binary replication tutorial wiki page?

2012-03-30 Thread Michael Nolan 
I've been trying to set up binary replication in 9.1.3 on two test servers
using the instructions in the wiki binary replication tutorial.  I did get
it working last night ,but ran into some issues that aren't covered, such
as what to do with a database that has multiple tablespaces.

This wiki page does not seem to have been updated since early 2011.

Is anyone working on that page these days?

How do I get involved helping update it?
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Re: [DOCS] Is someone actively working on the binary replication tutorial wiki page?

2012-03-30 Thread Heikki Linnakangas 

On 30.03.2012 19:26, Michael Nolan wrote:

I've been trying to set up binary replication in 9.1.3 on two test servers
using the instructions in the wiki binary replication tutorial.  I did get
it working last night ,but ran into some issues that aren't covered, such
as what to do with a database that has multiple tablespaces.

This wiki page does not seem to have been updated since early 2011.

Is anyone working on that page these days?

How do I get involved helping update it?


Just login and start editing. If you don't have a community account yet, 
you'll need to create one first, but that won't take long 
(https://www.postgresql.org/account/signup/)


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Re: [DOCS] Is someone actively working on the binary replication tutorial wiki page?

2012-03-30 Thread Michael Nolan 
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Heikki Linnakangas <
[email protected]> wrote:

> How do I get involved helping update it?
>>
>
>
> Just login and start editing. If you don't have a community account yet,
> you'll need to create one first, but that won't take long (
> https://www.postgresql.org/**account/signup/
> )
>
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>

Got it, thanks. I've made one (minor) edit so far, just to gain some
familiarity with the process.
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Re: [DOCS] Adding links to alternate versions of doc pages

2012-03-30 Thread Steve Atkins 

On Mar 30, 2012, at 6:47 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:58, Steve Atkins  wrote:
> 
>> Having all the specific-version pages use that to point to the
>> non-version URL might help.
> 
> Ah, you mean basically a link on every page going back to /current/?
> 
> That does bring back the whole problem of filenames/URLs being
> different between different versions of course..

Yup. It's much the same issue, so it'd be something to try as part
of the "add links to other versions" exercise. Simpler, as it'd be reasonable
to add rel="canonical" pointing to the current page only if the versioned
page has the identical filename.

i.e. /docs///tutorial-start.html would have
http://www.postgresql.org/current/static/tutorial-start.html";>
in it's  for all versions, including the most recent.

It's sort of lying to the search engine categorizer, but might hint
it to do what we'd like. Whether it's a good idea or not, I'm not sure.
It'd be nice to get some hints from someone who understands SEO.

Cheers,
  Steve


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Re: [DOCS] Adding links to alternate versions of doc pages

2012-03-30 Thread Magnus Hagander 
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 13:09, Steve Atkins  wrote:
>
> On Mar 30, 2012, at 6:47 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:58, Steve Atkins  wrote:
>>
>>> Having all the specific-version pages use that to point to the
>>> non-version URL might help.
>>
>> Ah, you mean basically a link on every page going back to /current/?
>>
>> That does bring back the whole problem of filenames/URLs being
>> different between different versions of course..
>
> Yup. It's much the same issue, so it'd be something to try as part
> of the "add links to other versions" exercise. Simpler, as it'd be reasonable
> to add rel="canonical" pointing to the current page only if the versioned
> page has the identical filename.
>
> i.e. /docs///tutorial-start.html would have
>  href="http://www.postgresql.org/current/static/tutorial-start.html";>
> in it's  for all versions, including the most recent.

Yeah, it seems to be a much "safer" thing, because it's not actually
shown in the UI, so it's not critical if we miss a page or two.

And yes, we can easily include a check in the page if a page exists
with the exact same name in "current".


> It's sort of lying to the search engine categorizer, but might hint
> it to do what we'd like. Whether it's a good idea or not, I'm not sure.
> It'd be nice to get some hints from someone who understands SEO.

yeah, I think unless we have that, it's all just speculation anyway...
And probably not worth putting too much work into on a pure gamble.

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