Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
Just noticed an error I should correct. > There's been no work done on it > at all (as far as I can tell) since Caldera bought the SCO name and > OpenServer product from the original Santa Cruz Operation, fired all the > software engineers, hired some lawyers and sued world+dog. I did overstate that bit a little. They've done some small work on improving OpenServer since the transfer to Tarentella, including 5.0.7V, according to the ever-reliable Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_OpenServer Note that The SCO Group (sco.com) still push 5.0.7, not 6.0, as their primary product. http://sco.com/ and primarily the for-virtualization version 5.0.7V. Wonder why? Maybe because the only people still using it are doing so to support legacy apps in an otherwise more modern environment, doing as little as possible on SCO. http://sco.com/products/openserver507v/hyperv/ For what it's worth, SCO OpenServer (5.0.5 at least) runs fine on VMWare anyway. I wonder if they've done anything more than packaged up a VM image of 5.0.7 with this product. They certainly don't mention anything useful like paravirt drivers for network and disk I/O. Anyway, let me reiterate: virtualize, then run away as fast as you can. -- Craig Ringer Tech-related writing: http://soapyfrogs.blogspot.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
On 23/07/10 05:24, Edmundo Robles L. wrote: > Hi! > I have a problem with the max postgres connections on SCO > Openserver 5.0.7, so ...my boss decided to buy the SCO Openserver 6.0 > but this version comes in 2 editions: Starter and Enterprise. > > If SCO 5.0.7 only allows 95 ( -3 used by superuser) connections to > postgres... > > Do you know how many connections to postgres can i have with > OpenServer in Starter Edition or Enterprise edition? Upgrading from 5.0.5 / 5.0.7 to 6.0 is like upgrading from Windows 95 to Windows ME in 2010. Or Mac OS 7.1 to Mac OS 9.2. You're upgrading from the corpse of an operating system to one that's still twitching feebly. This is not going to be a good way to invest time and money. Your boss may not realize that SCO basically dropped OpenServer as a product line in favour of UnixWare in the late 90s. Since then there was no significant work done on OpenServer. There's been no work done on it at all (as far as I can tell) since Caldera bought the SCO name and OpenServer product from the original Santa Cruz Operation, fired all the software engineers, hired some lawyers and sued world+dog. The Santa Cruz Operation renamed themselves Tarantella after their primary profitable product and went on with life, but "SCO" as a company is history. OpenServer is dead, dead, dead. Any money put into products targeting openserver is a sunk cost, and you can't change that, but you should really avoid sinking more money into that mess. If your management is still sticking to OpenServer, they should probably read about "escalation of commitment", a decision making tendency that's very dangerous and very easy to fall into if you don't think about it carefully. In case you think I'm just a Linux zealot flag-waving, I have a SCO OpenServer 5.0.5 box in the back room, running business critical applications. The apps are actually for Microsoft Xenix (yes, 1983 binaries) running in the Xenix persionality on OpenServer. I considered a port to OpenServer 6.0, but realized it was just slightly delaying the inevitable move to something modern. So ... I keep it running - in VMWare, since 5.0.5 runs about ten times faster as a VMWare guest on a Linux host than it does natively on the same hardware. It's faster because SCO doesn't use much RAM for disk cache, doesn't readahead, and is generally just sloow in its disk access and memory use strategies. The Linux guest in a vmware setup can cache the whole SCO OS and apps disk in RAM, making the whole setup much faster. It seems more stable under VMWare than running natively on modern hardware, too. I'd recommend you do much what I've done. Move your SCO instances to VMs running under Linux. Provide modern PostgreSQL on the Linux host, and just compile libpq for the SCO guest. Then start work on migrating your app to run natively on Linux/BSD/Solaris/whatever. -- Craig Ringer Tech-related writing: http://soapyfrogs.blogspot.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
Shorting stock is not my usual strategy, so I was a chicken, and only tied up about 10% of my available credit shorting it back then. Hindsight is that instead of just going based on their botched presentation and obvious lack of understanding of the provenance of their own code and Linux, I should have researched the company like I would for any other investment. Had I done that, I believe I would have gone "all in" on that short position... On Jul 24, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > Talking about SCO always brings a smile to my face, as my first round of > serious PostgreSQL work was funded by profits I made shorting their stock in > 2003. -- Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com http://www.elevated-dev.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
Scott Ribe wrote: On Jul 23, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Edmundo Robles L. wrote: By the way i send a mail to SCO but until now they don't answer to me. Not surprising, since they've been in bankruptcy for a while now (a couple of years?) and have almost no employees left. Right; SCO filed for bankruptcy in 2007, and it's amazing they still get people to buy their products at all. I thought the suggestion of moving the database server to another server was the best one here. If you have an application that must be run on SCO, hopefully the PostgreSQL part of it can at least be relocated onto another platform and system. Talking about SCO always brings a smile to my face, as my first round of serious PostgreSQL work was funded by profits I made shorting their stock in 2003. After reading http://perens.com/SCO/SCOCopiedCode.html and confirming the code mentioned was in my Lions commentary and "C Programming Language" books, I opened a trading account and placed my bet that they were wrong about infringement. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support g...@2ndquadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.us
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
On Jul 23, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Edmundo Robles L. wrote: > By the way i send a mail to SCO but until now they don't answer to me. Not surprising, since they've been in bankruptcy for a while now (a couple of years?) and have almost no employees left. -- Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com http://www.elevated-dev.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
Edmundo Robles L. pisze: On 07/22/2010 05:39 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Edmundo Robles L. wrote: Hi! I have a problem with the max postgres connections on SCO Openserver 5.0.7, so ...my boss decided to buy the SCO Openserver 6.0 but this version comes in 2 editions: Starter and Enterprise. If SCO 5.0.7 only allows 95 ( -3 used by superuser) connections to postgres... Do you know how many connections to postgres can i have with OpenServer in Starter Edition or Enterprise edition? Are you sure this isn't just a limit in max_connections in postgresql.conf? Yes, i sure. i have the same problem with postgres 7.2 (100 connections) and 8.3.11 (only 95 :-( ) I change the max_connections on postgres , on SCO 5.0.7 set the SHMMAX,SHM* to the maximun value and relink the SCO kernel but always , i have only 95 client connected to postgres no more. That is because we want buy SCO 6.0 but i don't know if we will have the same problem, our programs are developed on SCO so the migration to another operative system is not a choice... for now. By the way i send a mail to SCO but until now they don't answer to me. ... so keep your programs on SCO, but setup DB separately on a more friendly OS. As as your programs have configurable connection info, of course -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Edmundo Robles L. wrote: > > On 07/22/2010 05:39 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Edmundo Robles L. >> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> I have a problem with the max postgres connections on SCO >>> Openserver 5.0.7, so ...my boss decided to buy the SCO Openserver 6.0 >>> but this version comes in 2 editions: Starter and Enterprise. >>> >>> If SCO 5.0.7 only allows 95 ( -3 used by superuser) connections to >>> postgres... >>> >>> Do you know how many connections to postgres can i have with >>> OpenServer in Starter Edition or Enterprise edition? >>> >> Are you sure this isn't just a limit in max_connections in postgresql.conf? >> >> > Yes, i sure. i have the same problem with postgres 7.2 (100 connections) > and 8.3.11 (only 95 :-( ) > > I change the max_connections on postgres , on SCO 5.0.7 set the > SHMMAX,SHM* to the maximun value and relink the SCO kernel > but always , i have only 95 client connected to postgres no more. > > That is because we want buy SCO 6.0 but i don't know if we will have > the same problem, our programs are developed on SCO so the migration to > another operative system is not a choice... for now. > > By the way i send a mail to SCO but until now they don't answer to me. I'd be working on a schedule to get off of SCO if it was up to me. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
On 07/22/2010 05:39 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Edmundo Robles L. > wrote: > >> Hi! >> I have a problem with the max postgres connections on SCO >> Openserver 5.0.7, so ...my boss decided to buy the SCO Openserver 6.0 >> but this version comes in 2 editions: Starter and Enterprise. >> >> If SCO 5.0.7 only allows 95 ( -3 used by superuser) connections to >> postgres... >> >> Do you know how many connections to postgres can i have with >> OpenServer in Starter Edition or Enterprise edition? >> > Are you sure this isn't just a limit in max_connections in postgresql.conf? > > Yes, i sure. i have the same problem with postgres 7.2 (100 connections) and 8.3.11 (only 95 :-( ) I change the max_connections on postgres , on SCO 5.0.7 set the SHMMAX,SHM* to the maximun value and relink the SCO kernel but always , i have only 95 client connected to postgres no more. That is because we want buy SCO 6.0 but i don't know if we will have the same problem, our programs are developed on SCO so the migration to another operative system is not a choice... for now. By the way i send a mail to SCO but until now they don't answer to me. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Edmundo Robles L. wrote: > Hi! > I have a problem with the max postgres connections on SCO > Openserver 5.0.7, so ...my boss decided to buy the SCO Openserver 6.0 > but this version comes in 2 editions: Starter and Enterprise. > > If SCO 5.0.7 only allows 95 ( -3 used by superuser) connections to > postgres... > > Do you know how many connections to postgres can i have with > OpenServer in Starter Edition or Enterprise edition? Are you sure this isn't just a limit in max_connections in postgresql.conf? -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] Question about SCO openserver and postgres...
Hi! I have a problem with the max postgres connections on SCO Openserver 5.0.7, so ...my boss decided to buy the SCO Openserver 6.0 but this version comes in 2 editions: Starter and Enterprise. If SCO 5.0.7 only allows 95 ( -3 used by superuser) connections to postgres... Do you know how many connections to postgres can i have with OpenServer in Starter Edition or Enterprise edition? -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
