Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are you using it for that you need it to be present at install time? The linker hardcodes library paths into exes and libs. We examine these paths at install time using otool and rewrite them from the staging paths on the build machine to whatever directory the user chose to install to using install_name_tool(1). The other option would be to rewrite the paths to be relative at build time I guess. Relative paths sound like the best solution to me, assuming they work. For info, the latest version of the installer (download from http://www.enterprisedb.com/products/pgdownload.do) fixes this problem. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:51 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Relative paths sound like the best solution to me, assuming they work. Relative paths work fine. I use this all the time for distributing psql. It looks something like this: install_name_tool -change /path/to/postgresql/lib/libpq.dylib @executable_path/../lib/libpq.dylib psql John DeSoi, Ph.D. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
Shane Ambler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) I have a few installs here. now that I think about it - it may be a dev tools only thing. otool is included inside /Developer/usr/bin my working 10.4 that the dev tools is installed on also includes otool at /usr/bin This has been running for a few years so otool at /usr/bin may have come from anywhere. A minimal 10.3 install has otool at /usr/bin I have two 10.3 systems here the one that has otool is an emergency boot setup by TechTool Pro. A normal 10.3 install does not have otool. A clean 10.5 install does not have otool -- Shane Ambler pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz Get Sheeky @ http://Sheeky.Biz -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM, John DeSoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:51 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Relative paths sound like the best solution to me, assuming they work. Relative paths work fine. I use this all the time for distributing psql. It looks something like this: install_name_tool -change /path/to/postgresql/lib/libpq.dylib @executable_path/../lib/libpq.dylib psql Yeah, we do that in pgAdmin. In the installer though we have far more executables and libraries in various locations, and scripting the required changes (without hardcoding for specific filenames which is a recipe for future bugs) will be much more tricky. The other downside is that I won't be able to set the library install name correctly of course. I'll have to change that to just the filename. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Shane Ambler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shane Ambler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) I have a few installs here. now that I think about it - it may be a dev tools only thing. Yeah, was afraid of that. Thanks for checking. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] mac install question
Please excuse my lack of mac knowledge. I installed postgresql 8.3 using the mac os x 1 click installer onto my brand new powerbook. The install appeared to go very smooth. If I go to Postgresql under Applications it appears as if I can start and stop postgres and open pgadmin. I even created a test database under pgadmin with no errors. So everything appears cool but... I can't seem to run any of the postgresql commands from a shell. If I open a terminal and try to run psql or createdb or any of the commands I get this error: /Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/createdb test dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/buildfarm/pginstaller/server/staging/osx/lib/libpq.5.dylib Referenced from: /Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/createdb Reason: image not found Trace/BPT trap OR here is me running the psql command ./psql dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/buildfarm/pginstaller/server/staging/osx/lib/libpq.5.dylib Referenced from: /Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/./psql Reason: image not found Trace/BPT trap The directory /Users/buildfarm doesn't even appear to exist. I don't have much experience using mac much less the mac terminal so I assume since everything works from the Applications/PostgreSQL 8.3 Gui that I must just be doing something wrong. Any help appreciated thanks _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse my lack of mac knowledge. I installed postgresql 8.3 using the mac os x 1 click installer onto my brand new powerbook. The install appeared to go very smooth. If I go to Postgresql under Applications it appears as if I can start and stop postgres and open pgadmin. I even created a test database under pgadmin with no errors. So everything appears cool but... I can't seem to run any of the postgresql commands from a shell. If I open a terminal and try to run psql or createdb or any of the commands I get this error: /Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/createdb test dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/buildfarm/pginstaller/server/staging/osx/lib/libpq.5.dylib That would seem to indicate that the installer doesn't set things up properly for command-line access. You should talk to whoever created it, since it isn't (to my knowledge) part of the official Postgres distribution. -Doug -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:12:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: pgsql-general@postgresql.org On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse my lack of mac knowledge. I installed postgresql 8.3 using the mac os x 1 click installer onto my brand new powerbook. The install appeared to go very smooth. If I go to Postgresql under Applications it appears as if I can start and stop postgres and open pgadmin. I even created a test database under pgadmin with no errors. So everything appears cool but... I can't seem to run any of the postgresql commands from a shell. If I open a terminal and try to run psql or createdb or any of the commands I get this error: /Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/createdb test dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/buildfarm/pginstaller/server/staging/osx/lib/libpq.5.dylib That would seem to indicate that the installer doesn't set things up properly for command-line access. You should talk to whoever created it, since it isn't (to my knowledge) part of the official Postgres distribution. -Doug Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx Well, hopefully the maintainer reads this mailing list then. :) -Doug -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
He does, though he's currently on vacation, being forced to top-post in the gmail mobile interface :-p Can the OP send me (privately) the bitrock_installer log from /tmp please? Thanks, Dave On 7/23/08, Douglas McNaught [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx Well, hopefully the maintainer reads this mailing list then. :) -Doug -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:12:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: pgsql-general@postgresql.org On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse my lack of mac knowledge. I installed postgresql 8.3 using the mac os x 1 click installer onto my brand new powerbook. The install appeared to go very smooth. If I go to Postgresql under Applications it appears as if I can start and stop postgres and open pgadmin. I even created a test database under pgadmin with no errors. So everything appears cool but... I can't seem to run any of the postgresql commands from a shell. If I open a terminal and try to run psql or createdb or any of the commands I get this error: /Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/createdb test dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/buildfarm/pginstaller/server/ staging/osx/lib/libpq.5.dylib That would seem to indicate that the installer doesn't set things up properly for command-line access. You should talk to whoever created it, since it isn't (to my knowledge) part of the official Postgres distribution. -Doug Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx The package is improperly linked so the command-line tools are useless on any machine other than the buildfarm setup. Dave Page (CC'd) is apparently the maintainer. Cheers, M
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
Thanks for the log. It shows that the otool utility couldn't be found (which should be a fatal error but that's another issue. Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) In any case, re-running the installer, with otool in the standard location should fixup the installation. On 7/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the log. Is there a better way to install postgres that you would recommend? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:01:07 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pgsql-general@postgresql.org He does, though he's currently on vacation, being forced to top-post in the gmail mobile interface :-p Can the OP send me (privately) the bitrock_installer log from /tmp please? Thanks, Dave On 7/23/08, Douglas McNaught wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx Well, hopefully the maintainer reads this mailing list then. :) -Doug -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
it's a command line utility. On 7/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly i have no idea what otool is? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:45:23 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Thanks for the log. It shows that the otool utility couldn't be found (which should be a fatal error but that's another issue. Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) In any case, re-running the installer, with otool in the standard location should fixup the installation. On 7/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the log. Is there a better way to install postgres that you would recommend? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:01:07 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pgsql-general@postgresql.org He does, though he's currently on vacation, being forced to top-post in the gmail mobile interface :-p Can the OP send me (privately) the bitrock_installer log from /tmp please? Thanks, Dave On 7/23/08, Douglas McNaught wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx Well, hopefully the maintainer reads this mailing list then. :) -Doug -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com _ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
that'll make it work, but doesn't fix the problem. :-( On 7/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well scott's suggestion seemed to work: Ryan, Try setting: export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Library/PostgreSQL/8.3/lib:$DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH and running the command again. -- Scott Mead Sr. Systems Engineer EnterpriseDB Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:50:13 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: pgsql-general@postgresql.org it's a command line utility. On 7/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly i have no idea what otool is? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:45:23 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Thanks for the log. It shows that the otool utility couldn't be found (which should be a fatal error but that's another issue. Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) In any case, re-running the installer, with otool in the standard location should fixup the installation. On 7/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the log. Is there a better way to install postgres that you would recommend? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:01:07 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GENERAL] mac install question CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pgsql-general@postgresql.org He does, though he's currently on vacation, being forced to top-post in the gmail mobile interface :-p Can the OP send me (privately) the bitrock_installer log from /tmp please? Thanks, Dave On 7/23/08, Douglas McNaught wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got it from a link on postgresql.org. Of course it does say that it is a beta installer. http://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx Well, hopefully the maintainer reads this mailing list then. :) -Doug -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com _ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the log. It shows that the otool utility couldn't be found (which should be a fatal error but that's another issue. Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) Looks like you lose. I'm not sure where to look for definitive package contents on Macs, but the file timestamp on /usr/bin/otool shows it was built at the same time as ar, as, gcc, gprof, size, RezWack, and a bunch of other /usr/bin programs that look like they'd only come as part of xcode not in the base install. What are you using it for that you need it to be present at install time? regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
On 23 Jul 2008, at 21:47, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the log. It shows that the otool utility couldn't be found (which should be a fatal error but that's another issue. Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) Looks like you lose. I'm not sure where to look for definitive package contents on Macs, but the file timestamp on /usr/bin/otool shows it was built at the same time as ar, as, gcc, gprof, size, RezWack, and a bunch of other /usr/bin programs that look like they'd only come as part of xcode not in the base install. What are you using it for that you need it to be present at install time? The linker hardcodes library paths into exes and libs. We examine these paths at install time using otool and rewrite them from the staging paths on the build machine to whatever directory the user chose to install to using install_name_tool(1). The other option would be to rewrite the paths to be relative at build time I guess. /D -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
Dave Page wrote: The linker hardcodes library paths into exes and libs. We examine these paths at install time using otool and rewrite them from the staging paths on the build machine to whatever directory the user chose to install to using install_name_tool(1). Yep, the mac linker seems to default to absolute rpath linking, which I personally find *really* frustrating. The other option would be to rewrite the paths to be relative at build time I guess. That's the approach most Mac apps take, and is supported by the @ relative path syntax in install_name_tool. -- Craig Ringer -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the otool program on your system anywhere? Afaik, it should be on any Mac, but maybe it's part of xcode (i hope not- can anyone confirm?) I have a few installs here. otool is included inside /Developer/usr/bin my working 10.4 that the dev tools is installed on also includes otool at /usr/bin A minimal 10.3 install has otool at /usr/bin A clean 10.5 install does not have otool -- Shane Ambler pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz Get Sheeky @ http://Sheeky.Biz -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] mac install question
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are you using it for that you need it to be present at install time? The linker hardcodes library paths into exes and libs. We examine these paths at install time using otool and rewrite them from the staging paths on the build machine to whatever directory the user chose to install to using install_name_tool(1). The other option would be to rewrite the paths to be relative at build time I guess. Relative paths sound like the best solution to me, assuming they work. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
