Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
Tony Caduto wrote: Hi, I read in a article/interview on http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/3677.html that work was being done on improving/adding support for sql standard compliant stored procs/functions Does anyone know exactly what that means? Does it mean that Postgres will have stored procs that can have input and output params? Yes. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tony Caduto wrote: Hi, I read in a article/interview on http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/3677.html that work was being done on improving/adding support for sql standard compliant stored procs/functions Does anyone know exactly what that means? Does it mean that Postgres will have stored procs that can have input and output params? Yes. I think that keyword here is 'sql standard compliant', not stored procedures itself, because we have them for a long time and with support of dozen languages. Or I miss something ? Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
Oleg Bartunov wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tony Caduto wrote: Hi, I read in a article/interview on http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/3677.html that work was being done on improving/adding support for sql standard compliant stored procs/functions Does anyone know exactly what that means? Does it mean that Postgres will have stored procs that can have input and output params? Yes. I think that keyword here is 'sql standard compliant', not stored procedures itself, because we have them for a long time and with support of dozen languages. Or I miss something ? What I read from this is, when will PostgreSQL have stored procedures like Oracle. Thus the IN/OUT parameter statement. My understanding is that 8.1 will have a much more mature implementation of stored procedures versus UDFs (Which we have had forever). Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.commandprompt.com PostgreSQL Replicator -- production quality replication for PostgreSQL begin:vcard fn:Joshua Drake n:Drake;Joshua org:Command Prompt, Inc. adr:;;PO Box 215 ;Cascade Locks;OR;97014;US email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant tel;work:503-667-4564 tel;fax:503-210-0334 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.commandprompt.com version:2.1 end:vcard ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Oleg Bartunov wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tony Caduto wrote: Hi, I read in a article/interview on http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/3677.html that work was being done on improving/adding support for sql standard compliant stored procs/functions Does anyone know exactly what that means? Does it mean that Postgres will have stored procs that can have input and output params? Yes. I think that keyword here is 'sql standard compliant', not stored procedures itself, because we have them for a long time and with support of dozen languages. Or I miss something ? What I read from this is, when will PostgreSQL have stored procedures like Oracle. Thus the IN/OUT parameter statement. I mean original Josh's interview An example of what people are working on right now is SQL standard compliant stored procedures. We have procedures now, but they're not compliant with the standard syntax. Nothing about Oracle unless Oracle has standard compliant stored procedures. My understanding is that 8.1 will have a much more mature implementation of stored procedures versus UDFs (Which we have had forever). What's the difference between UDF and stored procedure ? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
My understanding is that 8.1 will have a much more mature implementation of stored procedures versus UDFs (Which we have had forever). What's the difference between UDF and stored procedure ? Here are a couple of GGIYF references: http://builder.com.com/5100-6388-1045463.html http://blogs.pingpoet.com/vbguru/archive/2004/04/29/535.aspx They are similar but they offer different functionality. At least in the sense of the other databases. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.commandprompt.com PostgreSQL Replicator -- production quality replication for PostgreSQL begin:vcard fn:Joshua Drake n:Drake;Joshua org:Command Prompt, Inc. adr:;;PO Box 215 ;Cascade Locks;OR;97014;US email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Consultant tel;work:503-667-4564 tel;fax:503-210-0334 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.commandprompt.com version:2.1 end:vcard ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: My understanding is that 8.1 will have a much more mature implementation of stored procedures versus UDFs (Which we have had forever). What's the difference between UDF and stored procedure ? Here are a couple of GGIYF references: http://builder.com.com/5100-6388-1045463.html http://blogs.pingpoet.com/vbguru/archive/2004/04/29/535.aspx They are similar but they offer different functionality. At least in the sense of the other databases. Hmm, the only real difference I see - is that SP are precompiled. I think we should clearly outline what is SP and what is UDF and do we are working on SP or just improving and extending our functions. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 Regards, Oleg _ Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet, Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia) Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
Oleg Bartunov oleg@sai.msu.su writes: Hmm, the only real difference I see - is that SP are precompiled. I think we should clearly outline what is SP and what is UDF and do we are working on SP or just improving and extending our functions. AFAIR, the only person who's actually stated any intention to work on this for 8.1 was me, and what I intend to do is just enough to support OUT and INOUT parameters in plpgsql. This is mostly because Red Hat wants to run some test suites that require those capabilities. There was some discussion of other ideas in the pgsql-hackers list a few weeks ago (see the archives) but I don't think anyone is stepping up to the plate to do them. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
Oleg Bartunov wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: My understanding is that 8.1 will have a much more mature implementation of stored procedures versus UDFs (Which we have had forever). What's the difference between UDF and stored procedure ? Here are a couple of GGIYF references: http://builder.com.com/5100-6388-1045463.html http://blogs.pingpoet.com/vbguru/archive/2004/04/29/535.aspx They are similar but they offer different functionality. At least in the sense of the other databases. Hmm, the only real difference I see - is that SP are precompiled. I think we should clearly outline what is SP and what is UDF and do we are working on SP or just improving and extending our functions. I always thought that the big difference was that a SP can start and end top level transactions whereas UDFs must execute within the scope of a transaction started by the caller. The above article doesn't mention this at all. Regards, Thomas Hallgren ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
[GENERAL] question about 8.1 and stored procedures
Hi, I read in a article/interview on http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/3677.html that work was being done on improving/adding support for sql standard compliant stored procs/functions Does anyone know exactly what that means? Does it mean that Postgres will have stored procs that can have input and output params? Thanks, Tony ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
