Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
On Thursday 01 January 2009 15:28:51 Bruce Momjian wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-01-01 at 14:47 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Andrew Chernow wrote: > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > Greg Stark wrote: > > > > >> Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the > > > > >> whole source tree considiered one work? > > > > > > > > > > One work, I assume. > > > > > > > > I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in > > > > every source file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only > > > > have to be one notice. > > > > > > Because people often take source files and copy them for use in other > > > projects. > > > > I think the correct resolution to the question is to ask legal. Yes? > > So I can get three different answers? It is not a priority for me. > Nor does it need to be... copyright for organizations runs ~ 100 years, so a year here or there is unlikely to make much difference to any of us. (Though for future generations, we'd probably have been better off not having a copyright notice at all). -- Robert Treat Conjecture: http://www.xzilla.net Consulting: http://www.omniti.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Bruce Momjian wrote: Andrew Chernow wrote: I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in every source file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only have to be one notice. Because people often take source files and copy them for use in other projects. As per my previous message, although people do this, it is not "safer" to copy a file without an explicit copyright embedded within the file, than to copy a file without an explicit copyright embedded within the file. The explicit copyright embedded serves more of a warning for people that don't know better to guilt them into thinking twice before doing whatever they are doing, than an actual legal requirement for enforcement of copyright restrictions. Cheers, mark -- Mark Mielke
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Andrew Chernow wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Greg Stark wrote: Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the whole source tree considiered one work? One work, I assume. I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in every source file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only have to be one notice. "Would only have to be one notice" is correct. You do not need a notice in every file. You put a notice in every file as extra unnecessary effort to make sure that people cannot possibly miss it. It is not a requirement for copyright that every file have a copyright comment on top. That it is in every source file is similar to putting extra parens around expressions or embedding documentation in an API. It does not indicate that the work is not a single work. It is simply making the terms more explicit and easily accessible. Most importantly, the *lack* of a copyright notice, does not indicate that there is no copyright rights defined. If 10 files have a copyright notice, and the 11th file does not, this does not indicate that the 11th file has more or less copyright restrictions than the other 10 that are explicit. The implicit copyright may be "All rights reserved" whereas the explicit copyright may say "You may use this software for free provided that you do not hold the authors responsible for any damages caused by use of the software". Which is more restrictive? Cheers, mark -- Mark Mielke -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-01 at 14:47 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Andrew Chernow wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Greg Stark wrote: > > > >> Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the > > > >> whole source tree considiered one work? > > > > > > > > One work, I assume. > > > > > > > > > > I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in every > > > source > > > file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only have to be one > > > notice. > > > > Because people often take source files and copy them for use in other > > projects. > > I think the correct resolution to the question is to ask legal. Yes? So I can get three different answers? It is not a priority for me. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Greg Stark writes: > Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the > whole source tree considiered one work? [ shrug... ] We've always done it this way. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
On Thu, 2009-01-01 at 14:47 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Andrew Chernow wrote: > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Greg Stark wrote: > > >> Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the > > >> whole source tree considiered one work? > > > > > > One work, I assume. > > > > > > > I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in every > > source > > file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only have to be one notice. > > Because people often take source files and copy them for use in other > projects. I think the correct resolution to the question is to ask legal. Yes? Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997 -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Andrew Chernow wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Greg Stark wrote: > >> Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the > >> whole source tree considiered one work? > > > > One work, I assume. > > > > I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in every source > file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only have to be one notice. Because people often take source files and copy them for use in other projects. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Bruce Momjian wrote: Greg Stark wrote: Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the whole source tree considiered one work? One work, I assume. I am not a lawyer, but if its one work, why is there a notice in every source file? ISTM that if it were one work there would only have to be one notice. -- Andrew Chernow eSilo, LLC every bit counts http://www.esilo.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Greg Stark wrote: > Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the > whole source tree considiered one work? One work, I assume. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Is that actually legal if we haven't modified the files? Or is the whole source tree considiered one work? -- Greg On 1 Jan 2009, at 13:25, Bruce Momjian wrote: I have updated all the source files for a 2009 copyright; seems the commit message was suppressed due to its size. Tom found a few more and I have adjusted for those as well. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
[HACKERS] Copyright update
I have updated all the source files for a 2009 copyright; seems the commit message was suppressed due to its size. Tom found a few more and I have adjusted for those as well. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
At 2004-12-31 23:49:35 -0500, pgman@candle.pha.pa.us wrote: > > With 8.0 coming out in 2005, I think I should update the copyrights on > the files. I don't think it actually makes any difference. -- ams ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] Copyright update
Bruce Momjian wrote: > With 8.0 coming out in 2005, I think I should update the copyrights on > the files. I see Marc has already done the update. I am checking with the src/tools/copyright to make sure he got them all. He updated legal.sgml so I bet he got them all. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
[HACKERS] Copyright update
With 8.0 coming out in 2005, I think I should update the copyrights on the files. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
