Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Re: [CORE] temporal tables (SQL2011)

2016-11-10 Thread Stefan Scheid
Hi,
thanks for elaborating.

yes, of course, I can implement 
it with 3 triggers, adding a couple of columns. It doesn't affect design and 
testing which stay the same.
As we are developing a product that must support a couple of databases and as I 
am not really happy with Maria e.a.,
I want to switch our standard DBMS. We need to support ms and ora as well, so 
there are h2, db2 and pg, or maybe we switch to some nonrel stuff like neo.
A couple of years ago I migrated a cms from db2 to pg, and was quite 
impressed... thats my current "mind map" :-)

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 10.11.2016 um 01:26 schrieb Craig Ringer :
> 
> On 8 Nov. 2016 15:11, "Craig Ringer"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7 November 2016 at 05:08, Stefan Scheid  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> are there plans to introduce temporal tables?
> >
> > I don't know of anybody working on them, but someone else may. Try 
> > searching the list archives.
> 
> I should've mentioned that one of the reasons it doesn't seem to be that high 
> on many people's priority lists is that it's fairly easy to implement with 
> triggers and updatable views. There's a greater performance cost than I'd 
> expect to pay for the same thing done as a built-in feature, but it works 
> well enough.
> 
> Many ORMs and application frameworks also offer similar capabilities at the 
> application level.
> 
> So I think temporal tables are one of those nice-to-haves that so far people 
> just find other ways of doing.


Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Re: [CORE] temporal tables (SQL2011)

2016-11-09 Thread Craig Ringer
On 8 Nov. 2016 15:11, "Craig Ringer"  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7 November 2016 at 05:08, Stefan Scheid  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> are there plans to introduce temporal tables?
>
> I don't know of anybody working on them, but someone else may. Try
searching the list archives.

I should've mentioned that one of the reasons it doesn't seem to be that
high on many people's priority lists is that it's fairly easy to implement
with triggers and updatable views. There's a greater performance cost than
I'd expect to pay for the same thing done as a built-in feature, but it
works well enough.

Many ORMs and application frameworks also offer similar capabilities at the
application level.

So I think temporal tables are one of those nice-to-haves that so far
people just find other ways of doing.


Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Re: [CORE] temporal tables (SQL2011)

2016-11-08 Thread Robert Haas
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Stefan Scheid  wrote:

> are there plans to introduce temporal tables?
>
I don't know of anyone who is actually working on it, but I agree that it
would probably attract some users if we did.

-- 
Robert Haas
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Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Re: [CORE] temporal tables (SQL2011)

2016-11-07 Thread Craig Ringer
On 7 November 2016 at 05:08, Stefan Scheid  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> are there plans to introduce temporal tables?
>
> I don't know of anybody working on them, but someone else may. Try
searching the list archives.

PostgreSQL development happens because people who want features step up and
either implement them or convince someone else to implement what they need.
The roadmap, such as it is, is "what the contributors and their various
customers want".

If this is important to you, look into what you need to do to make it
happen.

-- 
 Craig Ringer   http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
 PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services


[HACKERS] Fwd: Re: [CORE] temporal tables (SQL2011)

2016-11-07 Thread Stefan Scheid
Hi all,

are there plans to introduce temporal tables?

best,

Stefan



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Betreff:Re: [CORE] temporal tables (SQL2011)
Datum:  Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:27:40 -0400
Von:Peter Eisentraut 
An: Stefan Scheid 
Kopie (CC): pgsql-c...@postgresql.org



On 11/1/16 12:08 PM, Stefan Scheid wrote:
> how about implementing this feature?
> 
> Want to have a real argument to move 150 customers from mysql to
> postgresql ...
> cause they are not able or willing to use DB2 or Oracle ...

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