[HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Hi, Pgsql-hackers. many seem (to me) to be overly tied to an all XML all the time view. Only for hierarchical result sets. Even in case of http://computer20.euro.ru/site/computer20/en/author/communication_eng.htm Dmitry (SQL50, HTML60) -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Josh, Actually that is a poorly worded page. It really should be something like, How to submit a patch or How to get your patch committed. Yeah, I told Bruce I was going to re-write that page but seem to have been short some Round Tuits. --Josh -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
[HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Hi, Pgsql-hackers. what he's looking for is to somehow use XML in lieu of, um, either SQL, PHP, libpq, or something like that. (And the fact that those are 4 rather different things reveals how confused the matter is.) http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200802/msg00213.html Dmitry (SQL50, HTML60) -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Alvaro Herrera wrote: David Rowley escribió: Or is sponsoring a feature paying money to people that already plan to implement something? Nobody on their mind would plan to implement the features being proposed here ... I didn't look very far but it seems mainly nonsense. Yeah, I would have assumed that for most people in this discussion the name Dmitry Turin would ring a bell. Search the archives for further amusement. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alvaro Herrera) writes: David Rowley escribió: Or is sponsoring a feature paying money to people that already plan to implement something? Nobody on their mind would plan to implement the features being proposed here ... I didn't look very far but it seems mainly nonsense. Oh, dear... In searching back to the archives, it becomes evident that I shouldn't have been as polite as I was, and that it is indeed mainly nonsense. There *would* be merit in supporting the work on recursive queries, in 8.4, as that will help when trying to build queries that are to return hierarchical result sets. But that's not what he noticed; what he's looking for is to somehow use XML in lieu of, um, either SQL, PHP, libpq, or something like that. (And the fact that those are 4 rather different things reveals how confused the matter is.) Apologies; I didn't realize how fragmented the kettle was[1]... [1] Or did I misspell cracked and pot? -- (reverse (concatenate 'string ofni.secnanifxunil @ enworbbc)) http://linuxfinances.info/info/ I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-) -- Andrew Tanenbaum to Linus Torvalds -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: David Rowley escribi?: Or is sponsoring a feature paying money to people that already plan to implement something? Nobody on their mind would plan to implement the features being proposed here ... I didn't look very far but it seems mainly nonsense. Yeah, I would have assumed that for most people in this discussion the name Dmitry Turin would ring a bell. Search the archives for further amusement. Seems he is asking Ingres as well: http://blogs.ingres.com/technology/2008/07/31/bringing-dbms-in-line-with-modern-communication-requirements-sql2009/#more-18 It is a very details posting. -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonah H. Harris) writes: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Decibel! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're barking up the wrong tree here; the community can't really do hacking for hire. If you want to pay for something to be implemented (which is great!), you'll need to talk to companies that do Postgres consulting. You can find examples on the website and through google. You could also try posting to pgsql-jobs. I would suggest submitting it to pgsql-jobs. Except that it's not a job offer - it's more of a solicitation for implementation of something, so I'm not sure that's the right place either. Some of the things suggested seem interesting, but many seem (to me) to be overly tied to an all XML all the time view. I really rather have PostgreSQL head towards being more relational (in the 3rd Manifesto sense) than take the all singing, all dancing XML road. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'linuxfinances.info'; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/sgml.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #114. I will never accept a challenge from the hero. http://www.eviloverlord.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Chris Browne wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonah H. Harris) writes: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Decibel! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're barking up the wrong tree here; the community can't really do hacking for hire. If you want to pay for something to be implemented (which is great!), you'll need to talk to companies that do Postgres consulting. You can find examples on the website and through google. You could also try posting to pgsql-jobs. I would suggest submitting it to pgsql-jobs. Except that it's not a job offer - it's more of a solicitation for implementation of something, so I'm not sure that's the right place either. No, but that's where the right people would see it. Realistically, this means most likely contracting with 2nd Quadrant, Command Prompt or Peter Eisentraut. However, keep in mind that no hacker can guarentee you that any patch will be accepted, even one based on the SQL standard. BTW, why do you want these features? --Josh -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 21:13 +0100, Josh Berkus wrote: Chris Browne wrote: No, but that's where the right people would see it. Realistically, this means most likely contracting with 2nd Quadrant, Command Prompt or Peter Eisentraut. I would note that the individual has been hitting *everyone* directly and via list. So either he is quite serious, doesn't understand etiquette or is a spammer. Joshua D. Drake -- -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Josh, I would note that the individual has been hitting *everyone* directly and via list. So either he is quite serious, doesn't understand etiquette or is a spammer. I think there is a language barrier at work. --Josh -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 21:21 +0100, Josh Berkus wrote: Josh, I would note that the individual has been hitting *everyone* directly and via list. So either he is quite serious, doesn't understand etiquette or is a spammer. I think there is a language barrier at work. Oh certainly a possibility which is why I gave all three options :) Joshua D. Drake --Josh -- -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Josh Berkus Wrote: I would suggest submitting it to pgsql-jobs. Except that it's not a job offer - it's more of a solicitation for implementation of something, so I'm not sure that's the right place either. No, but that's where the right people would see it. Realistically, this means most likely contracting with 2nd Quadrant, Command Prompt or Peter Eisentraut. However, keep in mind that no hacker can guarentee you that any patch will be accepted, even one based on the SQL standard. BTW, why do you want these features? --Josh Joshua D. Drake wrote: I would note that the individual has been hitting *everyone* directly and via list. So either he is quite serious, doesn't understand etiquette or is a spammer. Joshua D. Drake Apart from the post during a commitfest does this not fit in with the details given here: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/How_to_sponsor_a_feature Or is sponsoring a feature paying money to people that already plan to implement something? David. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 20:48 +, David Rowley wrote: Josh Berkus Wrote: I would suggest submitting it to pgsql-jobs. Apart from the post during a commitfest does this not fit in with the details given here: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/How_to_sponsor_a_feature Or is sponsoring a feature paying money to people that already plan to implement something? Actually that is a poorly worded page. It really should be something like, How to submit a patch or How to get your patch committed. Joshua D. Drake David. -- -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
David Rowley escribió: Or is sponsoring a feature paying money to people that already plan to implement something? Nobody on their mind would plan to implement the features being proposed here ... I didn't look very far but it seems mainly nonsense. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Joshua D. Drake escribió: On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 20:48 +, David Rowley wrote: Josh Berkus Wrote: I would suggest submitting it to pgsql-jobs. Apart from the post during a commitfest does this not fit in with the details given here: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/How_to_sponsor_a_feature Actually that is a poorly worded page. It really should be something like, How to submit a patch or How to get your patch committed. Yes -- this was reported when the page was created. We already have a page for what you suggest: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Submitting_a_Patch -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
I think you're barking up the wrong tree here; the community can't
really do hacking for hire. If you want to pay for something to be
implemented (which is great!), you'll need to talk to companies that
do Postgres consulting. You can find examples on the website and
through google. You could also try posting to pgsql-jobs.
On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:33 AM, Dmitry Turin wrote:
Hi, Pgsql-hackers.
Full list of changes of two related projects (SQL5 HTML6) at
current moment
(not reflected in documentation yet).
===terms
master table is table, to primary key of which this (slave) table
refers
(terms master and slave are used only for MTD).
if master table is not represented in the same html-document,
where slave is (created by select 'table name=A'),
then new separate browser window will appear, and content of
master table will shown in it.
master and slave table must be bound by only one foreing key in
database.
communication - must be implemented via SQL5 over TCP
(look at slides #27-28 of http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf)
without closing TCP-connection after obtaining XML-document
because saments are saved in database, but baments are not
(we don't need to save temporary service information), instead of
sament
_ name= event= arg=
the following bament must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg= /?
===60
in regard to
http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/looker_eng.htm
http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/mtd_eng.htm
instead of
table name=M action=./scriptM.cgi portion=50 visual=20
id=id1
table name=S action=./scriptS.cgi portion=40 visual=10
master=id1
the following construction must be implemented
table name=M
table name=S
with CSS
table[name=M] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=S] { online:yes; portion:40; visual:10; master:M }
as well as instead of
table name=M action=./scriptM.cgi portion=50 visual=20
id=id1
table name=N action=./scriptN.cgi portion=50 visual=20
id=id2
table name=P action=./scriptP.cgi portion=50 visual=20
id=id3
table name=S action=./scriptS.cgi portion=40 visual=10
master=id1 id2 id3
the following construction must be implemented
table name=M
table name=N
table name=P
table name=S
with CSS
table[name=M] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=N] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=P] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=S] { online:yes; portion:40; visual:10; master:M N P }
or (if slave table refers to one master table by 3 own fields)
table[name=M] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=S] { online:yes; portion:40; visual:10; master:M/§s3 N/
§s4 P/§s5 }
where §s3, §s4, §s5 are fields of table S
instead of sament
_ name= event= arg=
the following bament must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg= /?
as well as instead of
_ name= event= arg=
a a1= a2= a3=
the following construction must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg=
a a1= a2= a3=
/?mtd
as well as instead of
_ name=S event=TableDown arg=40
m m1= m2= m3=
n n1= n2= n3=
p p1= p2= p3=
the following construction must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg=
m m1= m2= m3=
n n1= n2= n3=
p p1= p2= p3=
/?mtd
instead of
a a1= a2= a3=tiger.jpg
file name=a3 filename=tiger.jpgY29udGVudHMgb2YgZmlsZTEudHh0/
file
the following construction must be implemented
a a1= a2= a3=tiger.jpg
?file attr=a3 value=tiger.jpg xml:size=
Y29udGVudHMgb2YgZmlsZTEudHh0/file
instead of
tablename=A action=./script.cgi portion=50 visual=20
select name=B action=./script2.cgi portion=40
visual=10a2/select
/table
the following construction must be implemented
tablename=A/
with CSS
table [name=A] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table [name=A] { §a2: B }/* 'portion',
'visual' are inherited */
in addition to mentioned, statement
table [name=A] { §a2: B C }
means, that C is master table for B, B is master table for
§a2,
and that browser represents content C before content B to
choose sub-set of B
in addition to mentioned in paper, each 1-st click on column header
(e.g. concerning to xml-attribute @a2) sends bament
?mtd name= event=asc arg=a2/?
each 2-nd click sends bament
?mtd name= event=dsc arg=a2/?
each 3-rd click sends bament
?mtd name= event=none arg=a2/?
in addition to mentioned in paper, master table rise appearance
of new separete browser window
and displaying content of slave table in it, if
*) additional virtual column is specified in CSS for master table
(slave field is specified too, if several fields of slave
table refer to one master table)
table[name=M] §m20::after { slave:S/§s5 }
*) user make double-click on this virtual column
Relation master-slave is served by the same saments, as
relation slave-master;
but refering key will be specified
?mtd name= event= arg=
m/§s3 m1= m2= m3=
/?mtd
---
in regard to
http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/combo_eng.htm
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Decibel! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're barking up the wrong tree here; the community can't really do hacking for hire. If you want to pay for something to be implemented (which is great!), you'll need to talk to companies that do Postgres consulting. You can find examples on the website and through google. You could also try posting to pgsql-jobs. I would suggest submitting it to pgsql-jobs. -- Jonah H. Harris, Senior DBA myYearbook.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Hi, Pgsql-hackers.
Full list of changes of two related projects (SQL5 HTML6) at current moment
(not reflected in documentation yet).
===terms
master table is table, to primary key of which this (slave) table refers
(terms master and slave are used only for MTD).
if master table is not represented in the same html-document,
where slave is (created by select 'table name=A'),
then new separate browser window will appear, and content of master table
will shown in it.
master and slave table must be bound by only one foreing key in database.
communication - must be implemented via SQL5 over TCP
(look at slides #27-28 of http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf)
without closing TCP-connection after obtaining XML-document
because saments are saved in database, but baments are not
(we don't need to save temporary service information), instead of sament
_ name= event= arg=
the following bament must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg= /?
===60
in regard to
http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/looker_eng.htm
http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/mtd_eng.htm
instead of
table name=M action=./scriptM.cgi portion=50 visual=20 id=id1
table name=S action=./scriptS.cgi portion=40 visual=10 master=id1
the following construction must be implemented
table name=M
table name=S
with CSS
table[name=M] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=S] { online:yes; portion:40; visual:10; master:M }
as well as instead of
table name=M action=./scriptM.cgi portion=50 visual=20 id=id1
table name=N action=./scriptN.cgi portion=50 visual=20 id=id2
table name=P action=./scriptP.cgi portion=50 visual=20 id=id3
table name=S action=./scriptS.cgi portion=40 visual=10 master=id1 id2
id3
the following construction must be implemented
table name=M
table name=N
table name=P
table name=S
with CSS
table[name=M] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=N] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=P] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=S] { online:yes; portion:40; visual:10; master:M N P }
or (if slave table refers to one master table by 3 own fields)
table[name=M] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table[name=S] { online:yes; portion:40; visual:10; master:M/§s3 N/§s4 P/§s5 }
where §s3, §s4, §s5 are fields of table S
instead of sament
_ name= event= arg=
the following bament must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg= /?
as well as instead of
_ name= event= arg=
a a1= a2= a3=
the following construction must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg=
a a1= a2= a3=
/?mtd
as well as instead of
_ name=S event=TableDown arg=40
m m1= m2= m3=
n n1= n2= n3=
p p1= p2= p3=
the following construction must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg=
m m1= m2= m3=
n n1= n2= n3=
p p1= p2= p3=
/?mtd
instead of
a a1= a2= a3=tiger.jpg
file name=a3 filename=tiger.jpgY29udGVudHMgb2YgZmlsZTEudHh0/file
the following construction must be implemented
a a1= a2= a3=tiger.jpg
?file attr=a3 value=tiger.jpg xml:size=
Y29udGVudHMgb2YgZmlsZTEudHh0/file
instead of
tablename=A action=./script.cgi portion=50 visual=20
select name=B action=./script2.cgi portion=40 visual=10a2/select
/table
the following construction must be implemented
tablename=A/
with CSS
table [name=A] { online:yes; portion:50; visual:20 }
table [name=A] { §a2: B }/* 'portion', 'visual' are
inherited */
in addition to mentioned, statement
table [name=A] { §a2: B C }
means, that C is master table for B, B is master table for §a2,
and that browser represents content C before content B to choose sub-set
of B
in addition to mentioned in paper, each 1-st click on column header
(e.g. concerning to xml-attribute @a2) sends bament
?mtd name= event=asc arg=a2/?
each 2-nd click sends bament
?mtd name= event=dsc arg=a2/?
each 3-rd click sends bament
?mtd name= event=none arg=a2/?
in addition to mentioned in paper, master table rise appearance of new
separete browser window
and displaying content of slave table in it, if
*) additional virtual column is specified in CSS for master table
(slave field is specified too, if several fields of slave table refer to
one master table)
table[name=M] §m20::after { slave:S/§s5 }
*) user make double-click on this virtual column
Relation master-slave is served by the same saments, as relation
slave-master;
but refering key will be specified
?mtd name= event= arg=
m/§s3 m1= m2= m3=
/?mtd
---
in regard to
http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/combo_eng.htm
http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/mtd_eng.htm
instead of
select name=C action=./script2.cgi portion=40
the following element must be implemented
select name=C
with CSS
ul[name=A] { online:yes; portion:40 }
instead of sament
_ name= event= arg=
the following bament must be sent
?mtd name= event= arg= /?
as well as instead of
_ name= event= arg=
option id= value=word40option
the following construction must be sent
?mtd
[HACKERS] SQL5 budget
Hi, all. I had preliminary conversation with my employer about implementation of SQL5 [1] without Driven Scene [2]. He needs concrete budget. So i'm asking you to estimate and say, how much will it cost. In particular, speach goes about implemention of slides # 17-42, 47-56, 63, 102-109, 114-143, 147-157, 160-177, 180-197 of sql5.16.4.pdf, and about implementation of http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/mtd_eng.htm [1] http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf Brief description of SQL5 is on http://blogs.ingres.com/technology/2008/07/31/bringing-dbms-in-line-with-modern-communication-requirements-sql2009 or on http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/resume_eng.htm [2] http://computer20.euro.ru/driven-scene.pdf Brief description of SQL5 is on http://blogs.ingres.com/technology/2008/07/31/new-step-in-office-technologies-driven-scene or on http://computer20.euro.ru/site/computer20/en/author/driven-scene_eng.htm -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] SQL5 budget
I had preliminary conversation with my employer about implementation of SQL5 [1] without Driven Scene [2]. He needs concrete budget. So i'm asking you to estimate and say, how much will it cost. In particular, speach goes about implemention of slides # 17-42, 47-56, 63, 102-109, 114-143, 147-157, 160-177, 180-197 of sql5.16.4.pdf, and about implementation of http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/mtd_eng.htm Changes of two related projects (SQL5 HTML6), not reflected in documentation yet. ===50 in regard to http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf (slide #31,etc) in addition to mentioned in pdf-document, statement SELECT ... COMMENTING. extracts additional record from table as first xml-element, attributes of which contain comments, specified for each field earlier by statement COMMENT tab/@fld BY column title; this first xml-element contains additional service xml-attribute '_=comment'. usually comments are specified for html-tables, instead of html-trees -- in regard to http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf (slide #18) http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/tabfile_eng.htm (Sending of form) http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/cube_eng.htm(Sending of form) Obtaining single xml-element (instead of xml-tree) with primary key (PK) for DBMS table (specified in some xml-attribute) means the following: *) if this PK is already in DBMS table, then DBMS *updates* fields of record with this PK *) if this PK is not in table (this usually means, that record with this PK was already deleted), then DBMS *inserts* this xml-element under new PK (obtained from sequence for this PK), i.e. PK will be changed during insertion. -- in regard to http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf (slide #31-32, 39(Another output), 40) http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/forxml_eng.htm http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/quest_eng.htm#webforms_data (data id=records.../data) Each 'select ...' extracts data into LAN or WAN. (instead of 'insert ... select ...' and 'select ... into ...', coping data into internal DBMS table). Each 'select ... union ... select ...' interpreted as single extraction of xml into LAN or WAN. Each extraction of data into LAN or WAN is automatically: *) anticipated by content of field 'beginning' of system table 'SysXmlFormatting' *) ended by content of field 'end' of system table 'SysXmlFormatting' and *) by bament ?newdocument/? (to inform client, e.g. browser, about end of document) P.S. Other field of system table 'SysXmlFormatting' is URL (which specifies browser URL; 'null' means all URL and is applied, only if 'SysXmlFormatting' does not contain record with exact URL). -- in regard to http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.4.pdf (slide #173) Authentification (obtaining username and password, slide #173) must be implemented by baments (look at slides #26-27) and is described nowhere. --other SQL5 additions in addition to mentioned in pdf-document, each 'select ...' (extracting data into LAN/WAN) is savepoint. DBMS rollbacks to this savepoint, having obtained bament ?back/? in addition to mentioned in pdf-document, permissions for field are controlled GRANT/REVOKE SELECT/INSERT/UPDATE ON tab/@fld FOR user1; in addition to mentioned in pdf-document, if table b below is created -- | b1 | b2 | b3 | || | | a1 | a2 | a3 | || || || -- then expression IMPLY b/@b3 as b/@b3/@a2; influence so, that any 'SELECT @b3 FROM b' will extract only one elementary field (@a2) instead of all branch elementary fields (@a1, @a2, @a3), i.e. mentioned statement will be equivalent to 'SELECT @b3/@a2 FROM b'. it's for multi-language applications (@a1, @a2, @a3 contain notes in different languages) DBMS creates separete CSS-file username.css for each user username in local (for DBMS) directory. All accessable database fields (for user username) are listed in this file as ¶fieldname [instead of §fieldname, because DBMS does not know, what fields are service (like @colspan, @rowspan) or are values of properties (like in http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/chart_eng.htm), and what fields contain data for visualization - so mark ¶ acts like comment for this xml-attribute), except fields, which are primary keys in database, and which are always specified (and never ignored) as invisible. Fields, calculated upon other fields and don't saved really, specified as calculated by browser upon other fields. CSS-files are available for editing for DBMS administrator. ===60 in regard to http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/looker_eng.htm http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/mtd_eng.htm instead of table name=M action=./scriptM.cgi portion=50 visual=20 id=id1 table name=S action=./scriptS.cgi portion=40 visual=10 master=id1 the following
