Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
Josh Berkus wrote: All, Whatever we pick, someone will be confused by it and about equal numbers regardless. Let's just stick with the current patch. Or we could call it extraint conclusions. ;-) I vote for extraint confusions. -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On Nov 22, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
... original patch. Sorry. Let's not fiddle with the names.
To be clear, as things stand now, the new command is:
ALTER TYPE name ADD VALUE new_enum_value [ { BEFORE | AFTER }
existing_enum_value ]
So while the term in the SQL statement is VALUE, it's called a label in the
documentation. I think that's confusing. Does anyone else?
Best
David
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Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:01 PM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com wrote:
On Nov 22, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
... original patch. Sorry. Let's not fiddle with the names.
To be clear, as things stand now, the new command is:
ALTER TYPE name ADD VALUE new_enum_value [ { BEFORE | AFTER }
existing_enum_value ]
So while the term in the SQL statement is VALUE, it's called a label in
the documentation. I think that's confusing. Does anyone else?
Yes. As between the two options, I favor changing the command. And
let's also paint it pink.
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Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On Nov 23, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Robert Haas wrote: So while the term in the SQL statement is VALUE, it's called a label in the documentation. I think that's confusing. Does anyone else? Yes. As between the two options, I favor changing the command. And let's also paint it pink. Would that go with Andrew's boots and buttons? Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 14:48 -0500, Robert Haas wrote:
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:01 PM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com
wrote:
On Nov 22, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
... original patch. Sorry. Let's not fiddle with the names.
To be clear, as things stand now, the new command is:
ALTER TYPE name ADD VALUE new_enum_value [ { BEFORE | AFTER }
existing_enum_value ]
So while the term in the SQL statement is VALUE, it's called a label in
the documentation. I think that's confusing. Does anyone else?
Yes. As between the two options, I favor changing the command. And
let's also paint it pink.
We discussed this at West remember? When asked to paint a wall black we
ask, which shade?.
JD
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[HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
Patch attached. Best, David enum_value.patch Description: Binary data -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On 11/22/2010 06:36 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote: Patch attached. Thanks, I'll look at this shortly. I think it needs a little bit more, which I'll do. In particular, we should now avoid using the word 'value' to refer to the internal representation of an enum - that will just be confusing. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes: Patch attached. Most of those changes seem like they make it less readable, not more so. In particular I don't find it an improvement to replace textual label with textual value. I think of value as meaning some abstract notion of a particular enum member, which is not identical to the concrete text string that represents it. If you consider them the same thing then renaming an enum value would be a meaningless concept. Maybe instead of textual label, we should say name? But that doesn't seem like quite le mot juste either. label is actually a pretty good word for the text representation of an enum value. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On 11/22/2010 06:57 PM, Tom Lane wrote: David E. Wheelerda...@kineticode.com writes: Patch attached. Most of those changes seem like they make it less readable, not more so. In particular I don't find it an improvement to replace textual label with textual value. I think of value as meaning some abstract notion of a particular enum member, which is not identical to the concrete text string that represents it. If you consider them the same thing then renaming an enum value would be a meaningless concept. Maybe instead of textual label, we should say name? But that doesn't seem like quite le mot juste either. label is actually a pretty good word for the text representation of an enum value. Oh my boots and buttons. I think we're splitting some very fine hairs here. A few weeks back you were telling us that label wasn't a very good word and shouldn't be sanctified in the SQL. I don't mind that much leaving it as it is, but we do seem to be straining at gnats a bit. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes: On 11/22/2010 06:57 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Maybe instead of textual label, we should say name? But that doesn't seem like quite le mot juste either. label is actually a pretty good word for the text representation of an enum value. Oh my boots and buttons. I think we're splitting some very fine hairs here. A few weeks back you were telling us that label wasn't a very good word and shouldn't be sanctified in the SQL. It isn't a very good word for the abstract value, IMO, but the text representation is a different concept. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes: On 11/22/2010 06:57 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Maybe instead of textual label, we should say name? But that doesn't seem like quite le mot juste either. label is actually a pretty good word for the text representation of an enum value. Oh my boots and buttons. I think we're splitting some very fine hairs here. A few weeks back you were telling us that label wasn't a very good word and shouldn't be sanctified in the SQL. It isn't a very good word for the abstract value, IMO, but the text representation is a different concept. +1 for what Andrew said. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On Nov 22, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Oh my boots and buttons. I think we're splitting some very fine hairs here. A few weeks back you were telling us that label wasn't a very good word and shouldn't be sanctified in the SQL. It isn't a very good word for the abstract value, IMO, but the text representation is a different concept. But that's the thing we've been talking about all along! It's now ALTER ENUM ADD VALUE 'FOO'; But that sets the text value, the label, not the abstract value. Boots and buttons indeed. David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
All, Whatever we pick, someone will be confused by it and about equal numbers regardless. Let's just stick with the current patch. Or we could call it extraint conclusions. ;-) -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] s/LABEL/VALUE/ for ENUMs
On 11/22/10 5:38 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: All, Whatever we pick, someone will be confused by it and about equal numbers regardless. Let's just stick with the current patch. ... original patch. Sorry. Let's not fiddle with the names. Or we could call it extraint conclusions. ;-) -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
