[PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
Folks, I'm getting a new server for our database, and I have a quick question about RAID controllers with a battery backed cache. I understand that the cache will allow the cache to be written out if the power fails to the box, which allows it to report a write as committed safely when it's not actually committed. My question is, if the power goes off, and the drives stop, how does the battery backed cache save things out to the dead drives? Is there another component that is implied that will provide power to the drives that I should be looking into as well? Thanks, Peter Darley ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 11:25 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: I'm getting a new server for our database, and I have a quick question about RAID controllers with a battery backed cache. I understand that the cache will allow the cache to be written out if the power fails to the box, which allows it to report a write as committed safely when it's not actually committed. Actually the cache will just hold its contents while the power is out. When the power is restored, the RAID controller will complete the writes to disk. If the battery does not last through the outage, the data is lost. My question is, if the power goes off, and the drives stop, how does the battery backed cache save things out to the dead drives? Is there another component that is implied that will provide power to the drives that I should be looking into as well? A UPS would allow you to do an orderly shutdown and write contents to disk during a power failure. However a UPS can be an extra point of failure. -jwb ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 11:25 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: I'm getting a new server for our database, and I have a quick question about RAID controllers with a battery backed cache. I understand that the cache will allow the cache to be written out if the power fails to the box, which allows it to report a write as committed safely when it's not actually committed. Actually the cache will just hold its contents while the power is out. When the power is restored, the RAID controller will complete the writes to disk. If the battery does not last through the outage, the data is lost. Just curious: how long are the batteries supposed to last? -- Alvaro Herrera -- Valdivia, Chile Architect, www.EnterpriseDB.com Hi! I'm a .signature virus! cp me into your .signature file to help me spread! ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 11:25 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: I'm getting a new server for our database, and I have a quick question about RAID controllers with a battery backed cache. I understand that the cache will allow the cache to be written out if the power fails to the box, which allows it to report a write as committed safely when it's not actually committed. Actually the cache will just hold its contents while the power is out. When the power is restored, the RAID controller will complete the writes to disk. If the battery does not last through the outage, the data is lost. Just curious: how long are the batteries supposed to last? For the length of time it will take for you to get fired for not getting the server running plus one hour :). Merlin ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
Alvaro Herrera wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 11:25 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: I'm getting a new server for our database, and I have a quick question about RAID controllers with a battery backed cache. I understand that the cache will allow the cache to be written out if the power fails to the box, which allows it to report a write as committed safely when it's not actually committed. Actually the cache will just hold its contents while the power is out. When the power is restored, the RAID controller will complete the writes to disk. If the battery does not last through the outage, the data is lost. Just curious: how long are the batteries supposed to last? The recent *cheap* version of a ramdisk had battery backup for 16 hours. (Very expensive ramdisks actually have enough battery power to power a small hard-drive to dump the contents into). I'm guessing for a RAID controller, the time would be in the max 1 day range. John =:- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
John A Meinel wrote: The recent *cheap* version of a ramdisk had battery backup for 16 hours. (Very expensive ramdisks actually have enough battery power to power a small hard-drive to dump the contents into). I'm guessing for a RAID controller, the time would be in the max 1 day range. i think some will go a bit longer. i have seen an IBM ServeRaid (rebranded mylex in this particular case) keep its memory after being pulled for a remarkably long period of time. no guarantees, though, so i'm not actually going to say how long so that nobody gets unreasonable expectations. richard ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
On 14-9-2005 22:03, Alvaro Herrera wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 11:25 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: Actually the cache will just hold its contents while the power is out. When the power is restored, the RAID controller will complete the writes to disk. If the battery does not last through the outage, the data is lost. Just curious: how long are the batteries supposed to last? For the LSI-Logic MegaRaid 320-2e its about 72 hours for the standard 128MB version. Their SATA2-solution offers 32 and 72 hour-options. So I assume its in the order of days for most RAID controllers. Best regards, Arjen van der Meijden ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [PERFORM] Battery Backed Cache for RAID
Bear in mind you will lose data if the raid controller itself fails (or the cache memory module). Many solutions have mirrored cache for this reason. But that's more $$, depending on the risks you want to take. Quoting Arjen van der Meijden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 14-9-2005 22:03, Alvaro Herrera wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 11:25 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: Actually the cache will just hold its contents while the power is out. When the power is restored, the RAID controller will complete the writes to disk. If the battery does not last through the outage, the data is lost. Just curious: how long are the batteries supposed to last? For the LSI-Logic MegaRaid 320-2e its about 72 hours for the standard 128MB version. Their SATA2-solution offers 32 and 72 hour-options. So I assume its in the order of days for most RAID controllers. Best regards, Arjen van der Meijden ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
