Re: [PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates
On 01/21/2014 08:26 AM, Katharina Koobs wrote: Hi, We have a PostgreSQL DB, version 8.4 on a Suse Linux system. Every night a script runs with several updates and inserts. The query time at day increases after approximately 3 weeks from a few minutes to about an hour. Does it get gradually slower every day, or suddenly jump from few minutes to one hour after three weeks? The former would suggest some kind of bloating or fragmentation, while the latter would suggest a change in a query plan (possibly still caused by bloating). Does the database size change over time? After export, drop and import the DB the query time is again at a few minutes. We have tested vacuum full, vacuum analyze and reindex and get no improvement. Has anyone an idea why the queries are getting slower and slower? One theory is that the tables are initially more or less ordered by one column, but get gradually shuffled by the updates. Exporting and importing would load the data back in order. However, a blow to that theory is that a pg_dump + reload will load the tuples in roughly the same physical order, but perhaps you used something else for the export+import. You could try running CLUSTER on any large tables. Since version 9.0, VACUUM FULL does more or less the same as CLUSTER, ie. rewrites the whole table, but in 8.4 it's different. Thank you so much for your help! The DB configuration: Virtual server, 7GB RAM, DB size = 16GB shared_buffers = 1024MB temp_buffers = 32MB work_mem = 8MB checkpoint_segments = 20 effective_cache_size = 512MB max_locks_per_transaction = 256 With 7GB of RAM, you might want to raise effective_cache_size to something like 4GB. It doesn't allocate anything, but tells PostgreSQL how much memory it can expect the operating system to use as buffer cache, which can influence query plans. I doubt it makes any difference for the problem you're seeing, but just as general advice.. 8.4 is quite old by now, and will no longer be supported by the community after July 2014. You'll have to upgrade pretty soon anyway, so you might as well upgrade now and see if it helps. - Heikki -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates
Dear Heikki, thank you for your valuable feedback. Regarding your questions: It gradually slower every day. The database size is increasing only slightly over time. I will try your hint regarding CLUSTERING. The difference in effect of VACUUM FULL in version 9.0 sounds very interesting. I will discuss the update to version 9.0 with my colleague. Any further idea or feedback is much appreciated. Thank you so much kind regards, Katharina -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Heikki Linnakangas [mailto:hlinnakan...@vmware.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2014 09:07 An: Katharina Koobs Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; 'Sebastian Vogt' Betreff: Re: [PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates On 01/21/2014 08:26 AM, Katharina Koobs wrote: Hi, We have a PostgreSQL DB, version 8.4 on a Suse Linux system. Every night a script runs with several updates and inserts. The query time at day increases after approximately 3 weeks from a few minutes to about an hour. Does it get gradually slower every day, or suddenly jump from few minutes to one hour after three weeks? The former would suggest some kind of bloating or fragmentation, while the latter would suggest a change in a query plan (possibly still caused by bloating). Does the database size change over time? After export, drop and import the DB the query time is again at a few minutes. We have tested vacuum full, vacuum analyze and reindex and get no improvement. Has anyone an idea why the queries are getting slower and slower? One theory is that the tables are initially more or less ordered by one column, but get gradually shuffled by the updates. Exporting and importing would load the data back in order. However, a blow to that theory is that a pg_dump + reload will load the tuples in roughly the same physical order, but perhaps you used something else for the export+import. You could try running CLUSTER on any large tables. Since version 9.0, VACUUM FULL does more or less the same as CLUSTER, ie. rewrites the whole table, but in 8.4 it's different. Thank you so much for your help! The DB configuration: Virtual server, 7GB RAM, DB size = 16GB shared_buffers = 1024MB temp_buffers = 32MB work_mem = 8MB checkpoint_segments = 20 effective_cache_size = 512MB max_locks_per_transaction = 256 With 7GB of RAM, you might want to raise effective_cache_size to something like 4GB. It doesn't allocate anything, but tells PostgreSQL how much memory it can expect the operating system to use as buffer cache, which can influence query plans. I doubt it makes any difference for the problem you're seeing, but just as general advice.. 8.4 is quite old by now, and will no longer be supported by the community after July 2014. You'll have to upgrade pretty soon anyway, so you might as well upgrade now and see if it helps. - Heikki -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates
On 21/01/14 21:37, Katharina Koobs wrote: Dear Heikki, thank you for your valuable feedback. Regarding your questions: It gradually slower every day. The database size is increasing only slightly over time. I will try your hint regarding CLUSTERING. The difference in effect of VACUUM FULL in version 9.0 sounds very interesting. I will discuss the update to version 9.0 with my colleague. Any further idea or feedback is much appreciated. Index bloat could be a factor too - performing a regular REINDEX on the relevant tables could be worth a try. Regards Mark -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates
Hi, On 21 Leden 2014, 7:26, Katharina Koobs wrote: Hi, We have a PostgreSQL DB, version 8.4 on a Suse Linux system. Every night a script runs with several updates and inserts. The query time at day increases after approximately 3 weeks from a few minutes to about an hour. After export, drop and import the DB the query time is again at a few minutes. We have tested vacuum full, vacuum analyze and reindex and get no improvement. Has anyone an idea why the queries are getting slower and slower? The table/index bloat would be my first bet, but that should be fixed (or at least improved) by the vacuum commands you've tested. Sadly, the amount of info you provided is insufficient to determine the cause - the best thing you can give us are explain plans of the query, one when it's fast, one when it's slow. If it's longer than a few lines, please post it to explain.depesz.com and not here (the clients will reformat it, making it unreadable). Thank you so much for your help! The DB configuration: Virtual server, 7GB RAM, DB size = 16GB shared_buffers = 1024MB temp_buffers = 32MB work_mem = 8MB checkpoint_segments = 20 effective_cache_size = 512MB Any reason not to use higher value for effective_cache_size? You have 7GB of RAM, 1GB of that is for shared buffers, so I'd say ~4GB would be a good value here. Unlikely to be the cause of the issues you're seeing, though. Tomas -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates
On 21/01/14 21:45, Mark Kirkwood wrote: On 21/01/14 21:37, Katharina Koobs wrote: Dear Heikki, thank you for your valuable feedback. Regarding your questions: It gradually slower every day. The database size is increasing only slightly over time. I will try your hint regarding CLUSTERING. The difference in effect of VACUUM FULL in version 9.0 sounds very interesting. I will discuss the update to version 9.0 with my colleague. Any further idea or feedback is much appreciated. Index bloat could be a factor too - performing a regular REINDEX on the relevant tables could be worth a try. Sorry - I missed that you had tried reindex already. regards Mark -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
[PERFORM] Increasing query time after updates
Hi, We have a PostgreSQL DB, version 8.4 on a Suse Linux system. Every night a script runs with several updates and inserts. The query time at day increases after approximately 3 weeks from a few minutes to about an hour. After export, drop and import the DB the query time is again at a few minutes. We have tested vacuum full, vacuum analyze and reindex and get no improvement. Has anyone an idea why the queries are getting slower and slower? Thank you so much for your help! The DB configuration: Virtual server, 7GB RAM, DB size = 16GB shared_buffers = 1024MB temp_buffers = 32MB work_mem = 8MB checkpoint_segments = 20 effective_cache_size = 512MB max_locks_per_transaction = 256
