Re: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Jori Jovanovich wrote: (2) Making the query faster by making the string match LESS specific (odd, seems like it should be MORE) No, that's the way round it should be. The LIMIT changes it all. Consider if you have a huge table, and half of the entries match your WHERE clause. To fetch the ORDER BY ... LIMIT 20 using an index scan would involve accessing only on average 40 entries from the table referenced by the index. Therefore, the index is quick. However, consider a huge table that only has twenty matching entries. The index scan would need to touch every single row in the table to return the matching rows, so a sequential scan, filter, and sort would be much faster. Of course, if you had an index capable of answering the WHERE clause, that would be even better for that case. Matthew -- Don't criticise a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes; and if you do at least he will be a mile behind you and bare footed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
hi, I'm sorry for not posting this first. The server is the following and is being used exclusively for this PostgreSQL instance: PostgreSQL 8.4.2 on x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by GCC gcc-4.2.real (GCC) 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4), 64-bit Amazon EC2 Large Instance, 7.5GB memory, 64-bit This is what is set in my postgresql.conf file: max_connections = 100 ssl = true shared_buffers = 24MB ANALYZE VERBOSE EVENTS; INFO: analyzing public.events INFO: events: scanned 3 of 211312 pages, containing 1725088 live rows and 0 dead rows; 3 rows in sample, 12151060 estimated total rows Updating statistics did not effect the results -- it's still doing full table scans (I had run statistics as well before posting here as well so this was expected). thank you On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Bob Lunney bob_lun...@yahoo.com wrote: Jori, What is the PostgreSQL version/shared_buffers/work_mem/effective_cache_size/default_statistics_target? Are the statistics for the table up to date? (Run analyze verbose tablename to update them.) Table and index structure would be nice to know, too. If all else fails you can set enable_seqscan = off for the session, but that is a Big Hammer for what is probably a smaller problem. Bob Lunney --- On *Wed, 6/2/10, Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com* wrote: From: Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com Subject: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:28 PM hi, I have a problem space where the main goal is to search backward in time for events. Time can go back very far into the past, and so the table can get quite large. However, the vast majority of queries are all satisfied by relatively recent data. I have an index on the row creation date and I would like almost all of my queries to have a query plan looking something like: Limit ... - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=8695 width=177) ... However, PostgreSQL frequently tries to do a full table scan. Often what controls whether a scan is performed or not is dependent on the size of the LIMIT and how detailed the WHERE clause is. In practice, the scan is always the wrong answer for my use cases (where always is defined to be 99.9%). Some examples: (1) A sample query that devolves to a full table scan EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo bar so what' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 20; QUERY PLAN (BAD!) -- Limit (cost=363278.56..363278.61 rows=20 width=177) - Sort (cost=363278.56..363278.62 rows=24 width=177) Sort Key: server_timestamp - Seq Scan on events (cost=0.00..363278.01 rows=24 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo bar so what'::text) (2) Making the query faster by making the string match LESS specific (odd, seems like it should be MORE) EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 20; QUERY PLAN (GOOD!) Limit (cost=0.00..1433.14 rows=20 width=177) - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=8695 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo'::text) (3) Alternatively making the query faster by using a smaller limit EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo bar so what' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 10; QUERY PLAN (GOOD!) -- Limit (cost=0.00..259606.63 rows=10 width=177) - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=24 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo bar so what'::text) I find myself wishing I could just put a SQL HINT on the query to force the index to be used but I understand that HINTs
[PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
hi, I have a problem space where the main goal is to search backward in time for events. Time can go back very far into the past, and so the table can get quite large. However, the vast majority of queries are all satisfied by relatively recent data. I have an index on the row creation date and I would like almost all of my queries to have a query plan looking something like: Limit ... - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=8695 width=177) ... However, PostgreSQL frequently tries to do a full table scan. Often what controls whether a scan is performed or not is dependent on the size of the LIMIT and how detailed the WHERE clause is. In practice, the scan is always the wrong answer for my use cases (where always is defined to be 99.9%). Some examples: (1) A sample query that devolves to a full table scan EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo bar so what' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 20; QUERY PLAN (BAD!) -- Limit (cost=363278.56..363278.61 rows=20 width=177) - Sort (cost=363278.56..363278.62 rows=24 width=177) Sort Key: server_timestamp - Seq Scan on events (cost=0.00..363278.01 rows=24 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo bar so what'::text) (2) Making the query faster by making the string match LESS specific (odd, seems like it should be MORE) EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 20; QUERY PLAN (GOOD!) Limit (cost=0.00..1433.14 rows=20 width=177) - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=8695 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo'::text) (3) Alternatively making the query faster by using a smaller limit EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo bar so what' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 10; QUERY PLAN (GOOD!) -- Limit (cost=0.00..259606.63 rows=10 width=177) - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=24 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo bar so what'::text) I find myself wishing I could just put a SQL HINT on the query to force the index to be used but I understand that HINTs are considered harmful and are therefore not provided for PostgreSQL, so what is the recommended way to solve this? thank you very much
Re: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com wrote: what is the recommended way to solve this? The recommended way is to adjust your costing configuration to better reflect your environment. What version of PostgreSQL is this? What do you have set in your postgresql.conf file? What does the hardware look like? How big is the active (frequently referenced) portion of your database? -Kevin -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
2010/6/2 Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com hi, I have a problem space where the main goal is to search backward in time for events. Time can go back very far into the past, and so the table can get quite large. However, the vast majority of queries are all satisfied by relatively recent data. I have an index on the row creation date and I would like almost all of my queries to have a query plan looking something like: [CUT] Do you have autovacuum running? Have you tried updating statistics? regards Szymon Guz
Re: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
Kevin Grittner kevin.gritt...@wicourts.gov writes: Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com wrote: what is the recommended way to solve this? The recommended way is to adjust your costing configuration to better reflect your environment. Actually, it's probably not the costs so much as the row estimates. For instance, that first query was estimated to select 20 out of a possible 24 rows. If 24 is indeed the right number of matches, then the planner is right and the OP is wrong: the indexscan is going to have to traverse almost all of the table and therefore it will be a lot slower than seqscan + sort. Now, if the real number of matches is a lot more than that, then the indexscan would make sense because it could be expected to get stopped by the LIMIT before it has to traverse too much of the table. So the true problem is to get the rowcount estimate to line up with reality. Unfortunately the estimates for ~* are typically not very good. If you could convert that to plain ~ (case sensitive) it'd probably work better. Also, if this isn't a particularly modern version of Postgres, a newer version might do a bit better with the estimate. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present
Jori, What is the PostgreSQL version/shared_buffers/work_mem/effective_cache_size/default_statistics_target? Are the statistics for the table up to date? (Run analyze verbose tablename to update them.) Table and index structure would be nice to know, too. If all else fails you can set enable_seqscan = off for the session, but that is a Big Hammer for what is probably a smaller problem. Bob Lunney --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com wrote: From: Jori Jovanovich j...@dimensiology.com Subject: [PERFORM] SELECT ignoring index even though ORDER BY and LIMIT present To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:28 PM hi, I have a problem space where the main goal is to search backward in time for events. Time can go back very far into the past, and so the table can get quite large. However, the vast majority of queries are all satisfied by relatively recent data. I have an index on the row creation date and I would like almost all of my queries to have a query plan looking something like: Limit ... - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=8695 width=177) ... However, PostgreSQL frequently tries to do a full table scan. Often what controls whether a scan is performed or not is dependent on the size of the LIMIT and how detailed the WHERE clause is. In practice, the scan is always the wrong answer for my use cases (where always is defined to be 99.9%). Some examples: (1) A sample query that devolves to a full table scan EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo bar so what' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 20; QUERY PLAN (BAD!) -- Limit (cost=363278.56..363278.61 rows=20 width=177) - Sort (cost=363278.56..363278.62 rows=24 width=177) Sort Key: server_timestamp - Seq Scan on events (cost=0.00..363278.01 rows=24 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo bar so what'::text) (2) Making the query faster by making the string match LESS specific (odd, seems like it should be MORE) EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 20; QUERY PLAN (GOOD!) Limit (cost=0.00..1433.14 rows=20 width=177) - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=8695 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo'::text) (3) Alternatively making the query faster by using a smaller limit EXPLAIN SELECT events.id, events.client_duration, events.message, events.created_by, events.source, events.type, events.event, events.environment, events.server_timestamp, events.session_id, events.reference, events.client_uuid FROM events WHERE client_uuid ~* E'^foo bar so what' ORDER BY server_timestamp DESC LIMIT 10; QUERY PLAN (GOOD!) -- Limit (cost=0.00..259606.63 rows=10 width=177) - Index Scan Backward using server_timestamp_idx on events (cost=0.00..623055.91 rows=24 width=177) Filter: (client_uuid ~* '^foo bar so what'::text) I find myself wishing I could just put a SQL HINT on the query to force the index to be used but I understand that HINTs are considered harmful and are therefore not provided for PostgreSQL, so what is the recommended way to solve this? thank you very much
