Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Matthew Wakeling wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Actually, this isn't so much a 'pgbench' exercise as it is a source of 'real-world application' data for my Linux I/O performance visualization tools. I've done 'iozone' tests, though not recently. But what I'm building is an I/O analysis toolset, not a database application. Are these performance results when the analysis tools are active or inactive? Have you investigated whether the analysis tools might be slowing the I/O down at all? There is some overhead with the finest-granularity data capture tool, blktrace. I haven't measured it yet but it is supposedly about two percent according to its creators. And the trace files it creates are shipped to a collection server over the network -- they are not stored on the server under test. The other tool set, sysstat, simply reads out counters from /proc. The last time I looked at them they were using minuscule amounts of processor and RAM and doing no disk I/O. But there are (slightly) more efficient ways of getting the required counters from /proc, and blktrace can actually reconstruct the I/O counters. People run *production* servers with much more intrusive performance logging tool sets than what I am using. :) ...they told me that it was because the drive was re-ordering operations according to its own internal scheduler! A modern SATA drive with native queuing will do that. SCSI drives have been doing that for twenty years or so. At the CMG meeting I asked the disk drive engineers, well, if the drives are doing the scheduling, why does Linux go to all the trouble? Their answer was something like, smart disk drives are a relatively recent invention. But a. SANs have been smart for years, and people with I/O intensive workloads use SANs designed for them if they can afford them. Linux even has a no-op scheduler you can use if your SAN is doing a better job. b. The four I/O schedulers in the 2.6 kernel are relatively recent. I can go dig up the exact release dates on the web, but their first appearance in Red Hat was RHEL 4 / 2.6.9, and I think they've been re-written once since then. c. If SCSI drives have been doing their own scheduling for 20 years, that's even less incentive for Linux to do more than just provide efficient SCSI drivers. I've never gotten down into the nitty-gritty of SCSI, and I'm not sure there's any reason to do so now, given that other protocols seem to be taking the lead. Matthew -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: At the CMG meeting I asked the disk drive engineers, well, if the drives are doing the scheduling, why does Linux go to all the trouble? One big reason is that Linux knows more about the relative importance of I/O operations than the individual drives do. Linux's scheduler supports priorities in its queuing, and is able to do things like try to perform small blocking reads before long non-blocking writes in order to improve overall system throughput. The individual drives just don't have the knowledge to make these decisions. All they can really do is try to fetch the set of blocks currently requested in the smallest possible time. This can even be harmful if, in order to improve overall throughput, the drive reorders what to the OS is a very high priority operation and performs it later than it would've if following the request queue directly. I've had to modify the 3ware driver to set very shallow request queues for similar reasons. It was using very deep queuing and the controller seems to do very stupid request queuing where it maintains a single deep per-controller queue rather than per-array queues, so I was getting AWFUL request latencies on high priority small reads when bulk I/O was in progress elsewhere - even on another array on the same controller. I've also had to turn NCQ off on SATA disks before because it was foiling Linux's I/O priority management, so tasks with low ionice levels still ended up rather severely impacting system responsiveness. Hopefully these devices will end up with the smarts to manage I/O in a priority queue where read latency is considered as well as throughput. Their answer was something like, smart disk drives are a relatively recent invention. But -- Craig Ringer -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Craig Ringer wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: At the CMG meeting I asked the disk drive engineers, well, if the drives are doing the scheduling, why does Linux go to all the trouble? One big reason is that Linux knows more about the relative importance of I/O operations than the individual drives do. Linux's scheduler supports priorities in its queuing, and is able to do things like try to perform small blocking reads before long non-blocking writes in order to improve overall system throughput. The individual drives just don't have the knowledge to make these decisions. All they can really do is try to fetch the set of blocks currently requested in the smallest possible time. This can even be harmful if, in order to improve overall throughput, the drive reorders what to the OS is a very high priority operation and performs it later than it would've if following the request queue directly. I've had to modify the 3ware driver to set very shallow request queues for similar reasons. It was using very deep queuing and the controller seems to do very stupid request queuing where it maintains a single deep per-controller queue rather than per-array queues, so I was getting AWFUL request latencies on high priority small reads when bulk I/O was in progress elsewhere - even on another array on the same controller. I've also had to turn NCQ off on SATA disks before because it was foiling Linux's I/O priority management, so tasks with low ionice levels still ended up rather severely impacting system responsiveness. Hopefully these devices will end up with the smarts to manage I/O in a priority queue where read latency is considered as well as throughput. Their answer was something like, smart disk drives are a relatively recent invention. But -- Craig Ringer Thanks!! Is there a howto somewhere on disabling this on a Seagate Barracuda? I'm in the middle of rebuilding my tools and analysis algorithms as a real open source project, and I'd love to be able to have some working examples that people without access to industrial strength I/O subsystems can use. :) -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Is there a howto somewhere on disabling this on a Seagate Barracuda? http://inferno.slug.org/cgi-bin/wiki?Western_Digital_NCQ is a good discussion of disabling NCQ support under Linux (both in user-space and directly in the kernel itself). A good summary of the problems with the WD NCQ support alluded to there are at http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/3/159 if you're curious. It's a tough time to be picking up inexpensive consumer SATA disks right now. Seagate's drive reliability has been falling hard the last couple of years, but all the WD drives I've started trying out instead have just awful firmware. At last they're all cheap I guess. P.S. I have several of the same basic Seagate drive you have (160GB, even bought at CompUSA!) and would expect at least 2-3X better pgbench results than you're seeing. I realized that I've never actually run that test without first tweaking the postgresql.conf (shared_buffers,checkpoint_segments) so that may be part of it. One of my systems here has just one of those disk in it, next time I boot that up I'll see what results I get with an untuned config. -- * Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Greg Smith wrote: It's a tough time to be picking up inexpensive consumer SATA disks right now. Seagate's drive reliability has been falling hard the last couple of years, but all the WD drives I've started trying out instead have just awful firmware. At last they're all cheap I guess. I also have a 250 GB drive in another machine that I need to move to the main desktop. I don't remember the model of it -- it's been shut down for a year. :( Given that drive, I really don't have a need to buy a disk drive right now, and I'm saving my pennies for an industrial-strength laptop that I can dual-boot Windows 64-bit and Linux. I've gotten amazing use out of my ancient Compaq Presario 2110US, considering it's a home unit, but it's heavy, slow and has only 512 MB of RAM. P.S. I have several of the same basic Seagate drive you have (160GB, even bought at CompUSA!) and would expect at least 2-3X better pgbench results than you're seeing. I realized that I've never actually run that test without first tweaking the postgresql.conf (shared_buffers,checkpoint_segments) so that may be part of it. One of my systems here has just one of those disk in it, next time I boot that up I'll see what results I get with an untuned config. -- * Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD Thanks!! I'm just getting into the PostgreSQL tuning part of things. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: At the CMG meeting I asked the disk drive engineers, well, if the drives are doing the scheduling, why does Linux go to all the trouble? Their answer was something like, smart disk drives are a relatively recent invention. But One more reason? I imagine the disk drives wouldn't be aware of IO scheduling classes and priorities ( http://linux.die.net/man/1/ionice ), while I imagine the linux I/O schedulers should. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Ron Mayer wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: At the CMG meeting I asked the disk drive engineers, well, if the drives are doing the scheduling, why does Linux go to all the trouble? Their answer was something like, smart disk drives are a relatively recent invention. But One more reason? I imagine the disk drives wouldn't be aware of IO scheduling classes and priorities ( http://linux.die.net/man/1/ionice ), while I imagine the linux I/O schedulers should. Thanks!! I see I have much to learn. Jens Axboe is one of my heroes, BTW -- he's half of the blktrace team. :) -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Greg Smith wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Also, I think you should set the scale in the prepare step (-i) at least as high as the number of clients you're going to use. (I dimly recall some recent development in this area that might mean I'm wrong.) The idea behind that maxim (clients=scale) is that locking on the smaller tables will bottleneck resuls if you don't follow that advice. It's a bit messier than that though. Increasing the scale will also make the database larger, and once it gets bigger than available RAM your results are going to dive hard because of that, more so than the locking would have held you back. All kind of irrelevant for Ibrahim's case, because if you're not getting more than 50MB/s out of your disks the pgbench results are kind of moot anyway--there's a larger problem to sort out first. -- * Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD IIRC this is a FreeBSD system, not Linux. Could there be some filesystem performance issue here? I know zero about FreeBSD filesystems. Also, is there a separate driver machine you can use to run pgbench? The pgbench client uses resources, which could lower your throughput. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
[snip] I'm actually doing some very similar testing and getting very similar results. My disk is a single Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM SATA (160 GB). The OS is openSUSE 11.1 (2.6.27 kernel) with the stock PostgreSQL 8.3.5 RPM. I started out running pgbench on the same machine but just moved the driver to another one trying to get better results. The other driver is quite small -- 512 MB 1.6 GHz -- so I might need to shut down the desktop and X on it. But the real mystery is this: I have two XFS partitions. Let's call them sda5 and sda6. The PostgreSQL install put the database in /var/lib/pgsql, which is on sda5. But I created a tablespace on sda6 specifically for the database that pgbench is using, and put that database there. At least that's what pgadmin3 is telling me I did. But when I run pgbench, I see intense I/O on *both* partitions sometimes, and other times I see it *only* on sda5. I can understand the both times -- I didn't move any system-level things like the write-ahead logs. But what I can't understand is the periods when it isn't using sda6, where the tablespace is. Anyhow, here's a short segment of the results I'm getting. starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 2 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 200/200 tps = 37.360964 (including connections establishing) tps = 37.430501 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 4 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 400/400 tps = 51.768918 (including connections establishing) tps = 51.985556 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 6 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 600/600 tps = 51.462103 (including connections establishing) tps = 51.734119 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 8 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 800/800 tps = 44.316328 (including connections establishing) tps = 44.473483 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 10 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 1000/1000 tps = 44.750672 (including connections establishing) tps = 44.910703 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 12 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 1200/1200 tps = 45.048743 (including connections establishing) tps = 45.205084 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 14 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 1400/1400 tps = 26.849217 (including connections establishing) tps = 26.916643 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 16 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 1600/1600 tps = 11.187072 (including connections establishing) tps = 11.198109 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 18 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 1800/1800 tps = 38.183978 (including connections establishing) tps = 38.301026 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 20 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 2000/2000 tps = 35.012091 (including connections establishing) tps = 35.109165 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 22 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 2200/2200 tps = 28.286106 (including connections establishing) tps = 28.350341 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 24 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 2400/2400 tps = 29.285593 (including connections establishing) tps = 29.358284 (excluding connections establishing) starting vacuum...end. transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 100 number of clients: 26 number of transactions per client: 100 number of transactions actually processed: 2600/2600 tps = 29.237558 (including connections establishing) tps = 29.308422 (excluding connections
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I started out running pgbench on the same machine but just moved the driver to another one trying to get better results. That normally isn't necessary until you get to the point where you're running thousands of transactions per second. The CPU load of the pgbench isn't that big, and moving it to a network client does add its own overhead. I can understand the both times -- I didn't move any system-level things like the write-ahead logs. But what I can't understand is the periods when it isn't using sda6, where the tablespace is. Writes to the database are buffered by the shared_buffers mechanism. If you dirty a block, it has to be unused for a bit after that before it will be written out. The OS also buffers writes to the database disk. The combination of the two means that you can write things sometimes that won't turn into physical disk I/O to the database for a while. That is not true of the WAL, which will always be generating activity when running pgbench. number of transactions actually processed: 3000/3000 Generally, pgbench results start to be useful when you've pushed through around 100,000 transactions or run for a few minutes. It looks like your largest client test might be approaching that threshold only because the TPS rate is so slow. I'm not sure what is going on with your system, but the advice showing up earlier in this thread is well worth heeding here: if you haven't thoroughly proven that your disk setup works as expected on simple I/O tests such as dd and bonnie++, you shouldn't be running pgbench yet. It's not a tranparent benchmark unless you really understand what it's doing, and you can waste endless time chasing phantom database setup problems that way when you should be staring at hardware, driver, or OS level ones instead. Do you know the disks are working as they should here? Does the select-only pgbench give you reasonable results? -- * Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Greg Smith wrote: I'm not sure what is going on with your system, but the advice showing up earlier in this thread is well worth heeding here: if you haven't thoroughly proven that your disk setup works as expected on simple I/O tests such as dd and bonnie++, you shouldn't be running pgbench yet. It's not a tranparent benchmark unless you really understand what it's doing, and you can waste endless time chasing phantom database setup problems that way when you should be staring at hardware, driver, or OS level ones instead. Do you know the disks are working as they should here? Does the select-only pgbench give you reasonable results? Actually, this isn't so much a 'pgbench' exercise as it is a source of 'real-world application' data for my Linux I/O performance visualization tools. I've done 'iozone' tests, though not recently. But what I'm building is an I/O analysis toolset, not a database application. So I am staring at hardware, driver or OS level issues. :) To be more precise, I'm using block I/O layer tools, which are beneath the filesystem layer but above the driver and hardware levels. What you might find interesting is that, when I presented the earlier (iozone) test results at the Computer Measurement Group meeting in Las Vegas in December, there were two disk drive engineers in the audience, from, IIRC, Fujitsu. When they saw my results showing all four Linux schedulers yielding essentially the same performance metrics using some fairly tight statistical significance tests, they told me that it was because the drive was re-ordering operations according to its own internal scheduler! I haven't had a chance to investigate that in any detail yet, but I assume that they knew what they were talking about. The drive in question is an off-the-shelf unit that I got at CompUSA as part of a system that I had them build. In any event, it's *not* a server-grade I/O subsystem, it's a single disk drive designed for home desktop PC use cases. In short, I don't expect server-grade TPS values. I did capture some 'iostat' data after I moved the 'pgbench' database back into the main partition where the rest PostgreSQL database lives. As I expected, the device and partition utilizations were in the high 90 percent range. I don't have the bandwidth figures from 'iostat' handy, but if the utilization is 98.4 percent, they may be the best I can get out of the drive with the xfs filesystem and the cfq scheduler. And the choice of scheduler might not matter. And the choice of filesystem might not matter. I may be getting all the drive can do. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Craig, Here is the result. It seems that disk write is terrible!. r...@myserver /usr]# time (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=8192 count=100; sync) 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 819200 bytes transferred in 945.343806 secs (8665630 bytes/sec) That's pretty horrific. Can you try your disks without the motherboard RAID controller in the way either singly or using software RAID? -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On 1/23/09, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Craig, Here is the result. It seems that disk write is terrible!. r...@myserver /usr]# time (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=8192 count=100; sync) Note, while sequential write speeds are a good indication of general raid crappyness, they are not the main driver of your low pgbench results (buy they may be involved with poor insert performance) That is coming from your seek performance, which is also lousy at ~130 according to bonnie. merlin -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Merlin Moncure wrote: Note, while sequential write speeds are a good indication of general raid crappyness, they are not the main driver of your low pgbench results (buy they may be involved with poor insert performance) That is coming from your seek performance, which is also lousy at ~130 according to bonnie. The bonnie seek test includes a write component to it: In 10% of cases, it is dirtied and written back with write(2). Since ~130 isn't that much worse than normal for a cheap 7200 RPM drive (near 200), it could easily be the case that the awful performance on those writes is pulling down the seek score. Sequential writes are low on the scale of things that matter in a database context, but if they're screwed up bad enough it can ripple into more important areas. -- * Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
[PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Hi, I am running postgresql 8.3.5 on FreeBSD with Dual core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 3065 @ 2.33GHz, 2GB RAM and Seagate Technology - Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/ (RAID 1). I made several benchmark test with pgbench, TPS rate is almost 40 +/- 5. $ pgbench -i pgbench -s 50 -U pgsql [pg...@$ pgbench -c 200 -t 2 -U pgsql -d pgbench transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 10 number of clients: 200 number of transactions per client: 2 number of transactions actually processed: 400/400 tps = 39.044088 (including connections establishing) tps = 41.528795 (excluding connections establishing) [pg...@$ pgbench -c 100 -t 5 -U pgsql -d pgbench transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 10 number of clients: 100 number of transactions per client: 5 number of transactions actually processed: 500/500 tps = 30.162271 (including connections establishing) tps = 30.643256 (excluding connections establishing) Is this rate is normal or not? What can I do to improve tps and insert performance? Here is some changes made in postgresql.conf and sysctl.conf /etc/sysctl.conf #1024 MB shmmax kern.ipc.shmmax=1073741824 #shmall = shmmax / 4096 (page size) kern.ipc.shmall=262144 kern.ipc.semmsl=512 kern.ipc.semmap=256 postgresql.conf shared_buffers = 800MB # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB work_mem = 2MB # min 64kB maintenance_work_mem = 32MB # min 1MB max_connections = 600 # (change requires restart) max_fsm_relations = 2000# min 100, ~70 bytes each synchronous_commit = off wal_buffers = 1024kB# min 32kB checkpoint_segments = 32# in logfile segments, min 1, 16MB each #checkpoint_timeout = 5min # range 30s-1h checkpoint_completion_target = 0.9 # checkpoint target duration, 0.0 - 1.0 #checkpoint_warning = 30s # 0 is off -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 17:47 +0200, Ibrahim Harrani wrote: Hi, I am running postgresql 8.3.5 on FreeBSD with Dual core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 3065 @ 2.33GHz, 2GB RAM and Seagate Technology - Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/ (RAID 1). I made several benchmark test with pgbench, TPS rate is almost 40 +/- 5. $ pgbench -i pgbench -s 50 -U pgsql [pg...@$ pgbench -c 200 -t 2 -U pgsql -d pgbench transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 10 number of clients: 200 number of transactions per client: 2 number of transactions actually processed: 400/400 tps = 39.044088 (including connections establishing) tps = 41.528795 (excluding connections establishing) [pg...@$ pgbench -c 100 -t 5 -U pgsql -d pgbench transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 10 number of clients: 100 number of transactions per client: 5 number of transactions actually processed: 500/500 tps = 30.162271 (including connections establishing) tps = 30.643256 (excluding connections establishing) Is this rate is normal or not? What can I do to improve tps and insert performance? Run a real benchmark. Running 400/500 transactions doesn't give you any real indication of what is going on. Run 5 or so and see how it looks. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdr...@jabber.postgresql.org Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997 -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On 1/22/09, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Is this rate is normal or not? What can I do to improve tps and insert performance? postgresql.conf shared_buffers = 800MB # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB work_mem = 2MB # min 64kB maintenance_work_mem = 32MB # min 1MB I would raise maintenance_work_mem, although it's unrelated to your issue. max_connections = 600 # (change requires restart) max_fsm_relations = 2000# min 100, ~70 bytes each synchronous_commit = off Something is very wrong. 40tps is low, even for sata raid 1, but absolutely terrible with synchronous_commit = off. This suggests you are problems are read related and not sync related. Can you rerun pgbench using the custom sql feature, passing insert statements? Are you sure nothing else is going on/wrong with the box? Can we see a bonnie++ run? merlin -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Ibrahim Harrani escribió: I made several benchmark test with pgbench, TPS rate is almost 40 +/- 5. $ pgbench -i pgbench -s 50 -U pgsql [pg...@$ pgbench -c 200 -t 2 -U pgsql -d pgbench Try with 1000 transactions per client or more, instead of 2. Also, I think you should set the scale in the prepare step (-i) at least as high as the number of clients you're going to use. (I dimly recall some recent development in this area that might mean I'm wrong.) -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Hi Merlin, Here is the bonnie++ and new pgbench result with high transaction numbers. $ pgbench -i -s 30 -U pgsql pgbench $ pbench -c 100 -t 1000 -U pgsql -d pgbench transaction type: TPC-B (sort of) scaling factor: 30 number of clients: 100 number of transactions per client: 1000 number of transactions actually processed: 10/10 tps = 45.145051 (including connections establishing) tps = 45.162367 (excluding connections establishing) $ bonnie++ Writing a byte at a time...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading a byte at a time...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files in random order...done. Delete files in random order...done. Version 1.93d --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- MachineSize K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP myserver 300M 391 97 9619 1 8537 2 673 99 + +++ 1196 16 Latency 211ms 388ms 325ms 27652us 722us6720ms Version 1.93d --Sequential Create-- Random Create myserver-Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 9004 25 + +++ + +++ 8246 20 + +++ + +++ Latency 592ms 208us 102us 673ms 179us 100us 1.93c,1.93d,myserver,1,1232710758,300M,,391,97,9619,1,8537,2,673,99,+,+++,1196,16,16,9004,25,+,+++,+,+++,8246,20,+,+++,+,+++,211ms,388ms,325ms,27652us,722us,6720ms,592ms,208us,102us,673ms,179us,100us When I compare my bonnie++ result with the one at http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/postgresql/pg-disktesting.htm, It seems that there is something wrong with the disks!? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Merlin Moncure mmonc...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/22/09, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Is this rate is normal or not? What can I do to improve tps and insert performance? postgresql.conf shared_buffers = 800MB # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB work_mem = 2MB # min 64kB maintenance_work_mem = 32MB # min 1MB I would raise maintenance_work_mem, although it's unrelated to your issue. max_connections = 600 # (change requires restart) max_fsm_relations = 2000# min 100, ~70 bytes each synchronous_commit = off Something is very wrong. 40tps is low, even for sata raid 1, but absolutely terrible with synchronous_commit = off. This suggests you are problems are read related and not sync related. Can you rerun pgbench using the custom sql feature, passing insert statements? Are you sure nothing else is going on/wrong with the box? Can we see a bonnie++ run? merlin -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
This is the another bonnie++ test result with version 1.03 Delete files in random order...done. Version 1.03e --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- MachineSize K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP myserver 300M 13150 7 12713 1 13067 4 72426 53 + +++ + +++ --Sequential Create-- Random Create -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 1048 2 + +++ 2322 3 985 2 + +++ 1797 3 myserver,300M,13150,7,12713,1,13067,4,72426,53,+,+++,+,+++,16,1048,2,+,+++,2322,3,985,2,+,+++,1797,3 Also I attached bon_csv2html output for both version of bonnie++ Thanks in advance. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Merlin Moncure mmonc...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/22/09, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Is this rate is normal or not? What can I do to improve tps and insert performance? postgresql.conf shared_buffers = 800MB # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB work_mem = 2MB # min 64kB maintenance_work_mem = 32MB # min 1MB I would raise maintenance_work_mem, although it's unrelated to your issue. max_connections = 600 # (change requires restart) max_fsm_relations = 2000# min 100, ~70 bytes each synchronous_commit = off Something is very wrong. 40tps is low, even for sata raid 1, but absolutely terrible with synchronous_commit = off. This suggests you are problems are read related and not sync related. Can you rerun pgbench using the custom sql feature, passing insert statements? Are you sure nothing else is going on/wrong with the box? Can we see a bonnie++ run? merlin Title: Bonnie++ Benchmark results Version 1.93dSequential OutputSequential InputRandomSeeksSequential CreateRandom Create ConcurrencySizePer CharBlockRewritePer CharBlockNum FilesCreateReadDeleteCreateReadDeleteK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPU/sec% CPU/sec% CPU/sec% CPU/sec% CPU/sec% CPU/sec% CPU/sec% CPU myserver1300M3919796191853726739911961616900425824620 myserverLatency211ms388ms325ms27652us722us6720msLatency592ms208us102us673ms179us100us Title: Bonnie++ V1.03e Benchmark results Sequential Output Sequential Input RandomSeeks Sequential Create Random Create Size:Chunk SizePer CharBlockRewritePer CharBlockNum FilesCreateReadDeleteCreateReadDeleteK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU myserver300M1315071271311306747242653161048223223985217973 -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Version 1.93d --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- MachineSize K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP myserver 300M 391 97 9619 1 8537 2 673 99 + +++ 1196 16 Latency 211ms 388ms 325ms 27652us 722us6720ms Version 1.93d --Sequential Create-- Random Create myserver-Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 9004 25 + +++ + +++ 8246 20 + +++ + +++ Latency 592ms 208us 102us 673ms 179us 100us You should be testing bonnie with a file size that is at least double the amount of memory in your machine - in this case, 4GB files, not 300MB files. When I compare my bonnie++ result with the one at http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/postgresql/pg-disktesting.htm, It seems that there is something wrong with the disks!? Yes, your machine appears to be very slow. You should be able to write in the order of 30-50MB/s+ and read in the order of 40-80MB/s+. Random IO should be in the 200 tps range for a 7200rpm SATA RAID1. -Dave -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Hi David, $ I run the test again with the following options. Also I added the html output of the result. $ bonnie++ -u pgsql -n 128 -r 2048 -s 4096 -x 1 Using uid:70, gid:70. Writing with putc()...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files in random order...done. Delete files in random order...done. myserver,4G,8028,5,8118,1,5079,1,36055,28,32950,3,128.4,0,128,5620,11,142084,99,88739,99,12880,26,109150,99,90362,99 What about this result? This is a intel server with onboard raid. I will check raid configuration again tomorrow. Especially Write Cache and Read Ahead values mentioned at http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/CS-021019.htm On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM, David Rees dree...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Version 1.93d --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- MachineSize K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP myserver 300M 391 97 9619 1 8537 2 673 99 + +++ 1196 16 Latency 211ms 388ms 325ms 27652us 722us6720ms Version 1.93d --Sequential Create-- Random Create myserver-Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 9004 25 + +++ + +++ 8246 20 + +++ + +++ Latency 592ms 208us 102us 673ms 179us 100us You should be testing bonnie with a file size that is at least double the amount of memory in your machine - in this case, 4GB files, not 300MB files. When I compare my bonnie++ result with the one at http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/postgresql/pg-disktesting.htm, It seems that there is something wrong with the disks!? Yes, your machine appears to be very slow. You should be able to write in the order of 30-50MB/s+ and read in the order of 40-80MB/s+. Random IO should be in the 200 tps range for a 7200rpm SATA RAID1. -Dave Title: Bonnie++ V1.03e Benchmark results Sequential Output Sequential Input RandomSeeks Sequential Create Random Create Size:Chunk SizePer CharBlockRewritePer CharBlockNum FilesCreateReadDeleteCreateReadDeleteK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPUK/sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU/ sec% CPU myserver4G8028581181507913605528329503128.401285620111420849988739991288026109150999036299 -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: This is a intel server with onboard raid. I will check raid configuration again tomorrow. Especially Write Cache and Read Ahead values mentioned at http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/CS-021019.htm It would be good to use software RAID to see what kind of numbers you get without the built in RAID. Most built in RAID solutions are only suitable for holding the OS and such. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
David Rees wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Version 1.93d --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- MachineSize K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP myserver 300M 391 97 9619 1 8537 2 673 99 + +++ 1196 16 Latency 211ms 388ms 325ms 27652us 722us6720ms Version 1.93d --Sequential Create-- Random Create myserver-Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 9004 25 + +++ + +++ 8246 20 + +++ + +++ Latency 592ms 208us 102us 673ms 179us 100us You should be testing bonnie with a file size that is at least double the amount of memory in your machine - in this case, 4GB files, not 300MB files. When I compare my bonnie++ result with the one at http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/postgresql/pg-disktesting.htm, It seems that there is something wrong with the disks!? Yes, your machine appears to be very slow. You should be able to write in the order of 30-50MB/s+ and read in the order of 40-80MB/s+. Random IO should be in the 200 tps range for a 7200rpm SATA RAID1. Have you tried the really basic speed test? time (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=8192 count=100; sync) time dd if=bigfile of=/dev/null bs=8192 Divide 8.2GB by the times reported. On a single 10K SATA drive, I get about 55MB/sec write and 61 MB/sec read. If you can't get similar numbers, then something is wrong. Craig -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Also, I think you should set the scale in the prepare step (-i) at least as high as the number of clients you're going to use. (I dimly recall some recent development in this area that might mean I'm wrong.) The idea behind that maxim (clients=scale) is that locking on the smaller tables will bottleneck resuls if you don't follow that advice. It's a bit messier than that though. Increasing the scale will also make the database larger, and once it gets bigger than available RAM your results are going to dive hard because of that, more so than the locking would have held you back. All kind of irrelevant for Ibrahim's case, because if you're not getting more than 50MB/s out of your disks the pgbench results are kind of moot anyway--there's a larger problem to sort out first. -- * Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Hi Craig, Here is the result. It seems that disk write is terrible!. r...@myserver /usr]# time (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=8192 count=100; sync) 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 819200 bytes transferred in 945.343806 secs (8665630 bytes/sec) real15m46.206s user0m0.368s sys 0m15.560s [r...@myserver /usr]# [r...@myserver /usr]# time dd if=bigfile of=/dev/null bs=8192 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 819200 bytes transferred in 174.646798 secs (46906099 bytes/sec) real2m54.663s user0m0.246s sys 0m9.307s On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Craig James craig_ja...@emolecules.com wrote: David Rees wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Ibrahim Harrani ibrahim.harr...@gmail.com wrote: Version 1.93d --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- MachineSize K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP myserver 300M 391 97 9619 1 8537 2 673 99 + +++ 1196 16 Latency 211ms 388ms 325ms 27652us 722us 6720ms Version 1.93d --Sequential Create-- Random Create myserver-Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 9004 25 + +++ + +++ 8246 20 + +++ + +++ Latency 592ms 208us 102us 673ms 179us 100us You should be testing bonnie with a file size that is at least double the amount of memory in your machine - in this case, 4GB files, not 300MB files. When I compare my bonnie++ result with the one at http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/postgresql/pg-disktesting.htm, It seems that there is something wrong with the disks!? Yes, your machine appears to be very slow. You should be able to write in the order of 30-50MB/s+ and read in the order of 40-80MB/s+. Random IO should be in the 200 tps range for a 7200rpm SATA RAID1. Have you tried the really basic speed test? time (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=8192 count=100; sync) time dd if=bigfile of=/dev/null bs=8192 Divide 8.2GB by the times reported. On a single 10K SATA drive, I get about 55MB/sec write and 61 MB/sec read. If you can't get similar numbers, then something is wrong. Craig -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
Re: [PERFORM] postgresql 8.3 tps rate
Ibrahim Harrani wrote: Hi Craig, Here is the result. It seems that disk write is terrible!. r...@myserver /usr]# time (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=8192 count=100; sync) 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 819200 bytes transferred in 945.343806 secs (8665630 bytes/sec) real15m46.206s user0m0.368s sys 0m15.560s So it's nothing to do with Postgres. I'm no expert solving this sort of problem, but I'd start by looking for: - a rogue process that's using disk bandwidth (use vmstat when the system is idle) - system logs, maybe there are a zillion error messages - if you have a second disk, try its performance - if you don't have a second disk, buy one, install it, and try it - get another SATA controller and try that Or do the reverse: Put the disk in a different computer (one that you've tested beforehand and verified is fast) and see if the problem follows the disk. Same for the SATA card. It could be your SATA controller, the disk, some strange hdparm setting ... who knows? I ran into this once a LONG time ago with a kernal that didn't recognize the disk or driver or something, and disabled the DMA (direct-memory access) feature, which meant the CPU had to handle every single byte coming from the disk, which of course meant SLOW, plus you couldn't even type while the disk was busy. A simple manual call to hdparm(1) to force DMA on fixed it. Weird stuff like that can be very hard to find. I also saw very low write speed once on a RAID device with a battery-backed cache, when the battery went dead. The RAID controller went into its conservative mode, which for some reason was much slower than the disk's raw performance. Craig -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance
