Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
In response to Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bricklen Anderson wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Ravindran G-TLS,Chennai. wrote: Note: Please bear with us for the disclaimer because it is automated in the exchange server. Regards, Ravi FYI, we are getting closer to rejecting any email with such a disclaimer, or emailing you back every time saying we are ignoring the disclaimer. I think this issue cropped up a year or two ago, and one of the suggestions was for the offender to simply put a link back to their disclaimer at the foot of their email, rather than that uber-verbose message. Right. The problem is that most of the posters have no control over their footers --- it is added by their email software. I'm curious, what problem does the disclaimer cause? I wrote the following TOS for my personal system: https://www.potentialtech.com/cms/node/9 Excerpt of the relevant part: If you send me email, you are granting me the unrestricted right to use the contents of that email however I see fit, unless otherwise agreed in writing beforehand. You have no rights to the privacy of any email that you send me. If I feel the need, I will forward emails to authorities or make their contents publicly available. By sending me email you consent to this policy and agree that it overrides any disclaimers or policies that may exist elsewhere. I have no idea if that's legally binding or not, but I've talked to a few associates who have some experience in law, and they all argue that email disclaimers probably aren't legally binding anyway -- so the result is undefined. Don't know if this addresses the issue or confuses it ... ? -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
Bill Moran wrote: I'm curious, what problem does the disclaimer cause? I wrote the following TOS for my personal system: https://www.potentialtech.com/cms/node/9 Excerpt of the relevant part: If you send me email, you are granting me the unrestricted right to use the contents of that email however I see fit, unless otherwise agreed in writing beforehand. You have no rights to the privacy of any email that you send me. If I feel the need, I will forward emails to authorities or make their contents publicly available. By sending me email you consent to this policy and agree that it overrides any disclaimers or policies that may exist elsewhere. I have no idea if that's legally binding or not, but I've talked to a few associates who have some experience in law, and they all argue that email disclaimers probably aren't legally binding anyway -- so the result is undefined. No, it's not legally binding. Agreements are only binding if both parties agree, and someone sending you email has not consented to your statement. If I send you something with a copyright mark, you'd better respect it unless you have a signed agreement granting you rights. Federal law always wins. Disclaimers are bad for two reasons. First, they're powerless. Just because Acme Corp. attaches a disclaimer doesn't mean they've absolved themselves of responsibility for the actions of their employees. Second, they're insulting to the employees. It's a big red flag saying, We, Acme Corp., hire clowns we don't trust, and THIS person may be one of them! Craig ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
I'm curious, what problem does the disclaimer cause? I wrote the following TOS for my personal system: https://www.potentialtech.com/cms/node/9 Excerpt of the relevant part: I have no idea if that's legally binding or not, but I've talked to a few associates who have some experience in law, and they all argue that email disclaimers probably aren't legally binding anyway -- so the result is undefined. No, it's not legally binding. Agreements are only binding if both parties agree, and someone sending you email has not consented to your statement. If I send you something with a copyright mark, you'd better respect it unless you have a signed agreement granting you rights. Federal law always wins. Disclaimers are bad for two reasons. First, they're powerless. Just because Acme Corp. attaches a disclaimer doesn't mean they've absolved themselves of responsibility for the actions of their employees. Second, they're insulting to the employees. It's a big red flag saying, We, Acme Corp., hire clowns we don't trust, and THIS person may be one of them! Dear sirs, this is off-topic at best. Pls. discontinue this thread. regards Claus ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
Craig A. James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill Moran wrote: I have no idea if that's legally binding or not, but I've talked to a few associates who have some experience in law, and they all argue that email disclaimers probably aren't legally binding anyway -- so the result is undefined. No, it's not legally binding. Agreements are only binding if both parties agree, and someone sending you email has not consented to your statement. To take this back to the PG problem: it's probably true that we can ignore disclaimers as far as receiving, redistributing, and archiving mail list submissions goes. On the other hand, accepting a patch is another matter. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Tom Lane wrote: Craig A. James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill Moran wrote: I have no idea if that's legally binding or not, but I've talked to a few associates who have some experience in law, and they all argue that email disclaimers probably aren't legally binding anyway -- so the result is undefined. No, it's not legally binding. Agreements are only binding if both parties agree, and someone sending you email has not consented to your statement. To take this back to the PG problem: it's probably true that we can ignore disclaimers as far as receiving, redistributing, and archiving mail list submissions goes. On the other hand, accepting a patch is another matter. A published policy on patch submission making them fit whatever legal model is desired would avoid any and all legal issues related to legalease included with a submission. The would-be patcher's action of submission can also count as acknowledgement of the actual agreement - your agreement - if you've got the policy unambiguously and prominently displayed... HTH, RT -- Richard Troy, Chief Scientist Science Tools Corporation 510-924-1363 or 202-747-1263 [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://ScienceTools.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
Ravindran G-TLS,Chennai. wrote: Note: Please bear with us for the disclaimer because it is automated in the exchange server. Regards, Ravi FYI, we are getting closer to rejecting any email with such a disclaimer, or emailing you back every time saying we are ignoring the disclaimer. --- DISCLAIMER: --- The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. It shall not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of the author of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any mail and attachments please check them for viruses and defect. --- -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
Bruce Momjian wrote: Ravindran G-TLS,Chennai. wrote: Note: Please bear with us for the disclaimer because it is automated in the exchange server. Regards, Ravi FYI, we are getting closer to rejecting any email with such a disclaimer, or emailing you back every time saying we are ignoring the disclaimer. I think this issue cropped up a year or two ago, and one of the suggestions was for the offender to simply put a link back to their disclaimer at the foot of their email, rather than that uber-verbose message. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [PERFORM] Estimate the size of the SQL file generated by pg_dump utility
Bricklen Anderson wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Ravindran G-TLS,Chennai. wrote: Note: Please bear with us for the disclaimer because it is automated in the exchange server. Regards, Ravi FYI, we are getting closer to rejecting any email with such a disclaimer, or emailing you back every time saying we are ignoring the disclaimer. I think this issue cropped up a year or two ago, and one of the suggestions was for the offender to simply put a link back to their disclaimer at the foot of their email, rather than that uber-verbose message. Right. The problem is that most of the posters have no control over their footers --- it is added by their email software. -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: You can help support the PostgreSQL project by donating at http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
