[Pharo-dev] Re: [Esug-list] Re: Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

[Yanni Chiu]

I know. I was implying that Soil might be more than just bits of that
stone. By being soil, it can be a fertile ground for ideas.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:41 PM Dale Henrichs <
dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:

> But ground stone is just sand. There’s more than just sand in soil. Soil
>> should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :)
>
> I was trying to make a reference to a GemStone *stone *:)
>
> Dale
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:27 PM Norbert Hartl  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Am 08.05.2024 um 16:14 schrieb Norbert Hartl :
>>
>> 
>>
>> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel :
>>
>> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know...
>> what inspired the name? :)
>>
>>
>> - I like the word
>> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix
>> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow
>> on
>>
>> - people having fun with it
>>
>> Mission accomplished
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> Norbert
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
>>
>>> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider
>>> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and
>>> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the
>>> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat).
>>>
>>> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil
>>> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>>
>>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as
>>> usual it doesn't go that fast.
>>>
>>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public
>>> release v1. So what is soil?
>>>
>>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo . It is
>>> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search
>>> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet
>>> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy
>>> to inspect, ...
>>>
>>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil
>>>
>>> This release is still considered early stage because
>>>
>>>
>>>- although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and
>>>there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it 
>>> is
>>>not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining 
>>> I
>>>need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
>>>- there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage
>>>collection, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to
>>> try.
>>>
>>> Hopy you enjoy it!
>>>
>>> Norbert & Marcus
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[Pharo-dev] Re: [Esug-list] Re: Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

[Dale Henrichs]

>
> But ground stone is just sand. There’s more than just sand in soil. Soil
> should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :)

I was trying to make a reference to a GemStone *stone *:)

Dale

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:27 PM Norbert Hartl  wrote:

>
>
> Am 08.05.2024 um 16:14 schrieb Norbert Hartl :
>
> 
>
> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel :
>
> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know...
> what inspired the name? :)
>
>
> - I like the word
> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix
> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow
> on
>
> - people having fun with it
>
> Mission accomplished
>
> N.
>
>
> Norbert
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
>
>> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider
>> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and
>> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the
>> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat).
>>
>> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil
>> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>
>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual
>> it doesn't go that fast.
>>
>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public
>> release v1. So what is soil?
>>
>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo . It is
>> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search
>> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet
>> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy
>> to inspect, ...
>>
>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil
>>
>> This release is still considered early stage because
>>
>>
>>- although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and
>>there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it 
>> is
>>not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I
>>need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
>>- there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage
>>collection, etc.
>>
>>
>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try.
>>
>> Hopy you enjoy it!
>>
>> Norbert & Marcus
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[Pharo-dev] Re: [Esug-list] [ANN] Soil release v1

[Norbert Hartl]

Am 08.05.2024 um 16:14 schrieb Norbert Hartl :Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel :I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... what inspired the name? :)- I like the word- It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix- To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on- people having fun with itMission accomplishedN.NorbertOn Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat).Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful.TimOn Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual it doesn't go that fast. But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public release v1. So what is soil?Soil is an object oriented database in pharo. It is transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy to inspect, ...More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/SoilThis release is still considered early stage because although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage collection, etc.So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try. Hopy you enjoy it!Norbert & Marcus___Esug-list mailing list -- esug-l...@lists.esug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-le...@lists.esug.org___
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[Pharo-dev] Re: [Esug-list] Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

[Yanni Chiu]

But ground stone is just sand. There’s more than just sand in soil. Soil
should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :)

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 11:41 AM Dale Henrichs <
dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:

> To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on
>
>
> Haha, Soil can also be thought of as "ground up stone" :)
>
> Dale
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:13 AM Norbert Hartl  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel :
>>
>> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know...
>> what inspired the name? :)
>>
>>
>> - I like the word
>> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix
>> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow
>> on
>>
>> Norbert
>>
>

[Pharo-dev] Re: [Pharo-users] Re: [Esug-list] Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

[Sabine M]

I am always thinking of this movie when hearing „Soil“. Googling for it now, I 
see that it has another spelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

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Gesendet: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:43:24 PM
An: Any question about pharo is welcome 
Cc: Norbert Hartl ; Dirk Nel ; 
Pharo Dev ; Tetaz, Jean-Pierre via Esug-list 

Betreff: [Pharo-users] Re: [Esug-list] Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

Or soiling yourself, aka incontinence... Isn't English illogical fun!

Cody

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 10:41 AM Dale Henrichs 
mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>> 
wrote:
To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on

Haha, Soil can also be thought of as "ground up stone" :)

Dale

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:13 AM Norbert Hartl 
mailto:norb...@hartl.name>> wrote:


Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel 
mailto:dirkockert...@gmail.com>>:

I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... what 
inspired the name? :)

- I like the word
- It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix
- To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on

Norbert


On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider 
community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and 
watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the 
extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat).

Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil and 
Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful.

Tim

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual it 
doesn't go that fast.

But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public release v1. 
So what is soil?

Soil is an object oriented database in pharo. It is 
transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search capabilities 
with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet powerful database 
making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy to inspect, ...

More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil

This release is still considered early stage because


  *   although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and there are 
other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is not fully 
battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I need somewhere 
to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
  *   there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage 
collection, etc.

So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try.

Hopy you enjoy it!

Norbert & Marcus
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[Pharo-dev] Re: [Esug-list] Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

[Dale Henrichs]

>
> To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on


Haha, Soil can also be thought of as "ground up stone" :)

Dale

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:13 AM Norbert Hartl  wrote:

>
>
> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel :
>
> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know...
> what inspired the name? :)
>
>
> - I like the word
> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix
> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow
> on
>
> Norbert
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
>
>> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider
>> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and
>> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the
>> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat).
>>
>> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil
>> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>
>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual
>> it doesn't go that fast.
>>
>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public
>> release v1. So what is soil?
>>
>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo . It is
>> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search
>> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet
>> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy
>> to inspect, ...
>>
>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil
>>
>> This release is still considered early stage because
>>
>>
>>- although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and
>>there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it 
>> is
>>not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I
>>need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
>>- there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage
>>collection, etc.
>>
>>
>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try.
>>
>> Hopy you enjoy it!
>>
>> Norbert & Marcus
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[Pharo-dev] Re: [Esug-list] [ANN] Soil release v1

[Norbert Hartl]

> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel :
> 
> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... what 
> inspired the name? :)

- I like the word
- It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix
- To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on

Norbert

> 
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:
>> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider 
>> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and 
>> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the 
>> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat).
>> 
>> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil and 
>> Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual 
>>> it doesn't go that fast. 
>>> 
>>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public release 
>>> v1. So what is soil?
>>> 
>>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo . It is 
>>> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search 
>>> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet 
>>> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy 
>>> to inspect, ...
>>> 
>>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil
>>> 
>>> This release is still considered early stage because 
>>> 
>>> although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and there are 
>>> other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is not fully 
>>> battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I need 
>>> somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
>>> there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage collection, 
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try. 
>>> 
>>> Hopy you enjoy it!
>>> 
>>> Norbert & Marcus
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[Pharo-dev] Some issues in starting Pharo12 - Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 12 Release !

[Davide Varvello via Pharo-dev]

 Hi Guys,
I'm trying to play with Pharo12 so I downloaded it via the Zeroconf script (it 
seems to me more approachable than the Pharo Launcher).The script (curl -L 
https://get.pharo.org | bash) got everything for my machine (apple silicon). 
Now, if I run pharo via command line everything is working, but if I double 
click on Pharo.app and select the image file Pharo.image nothing happens.
Can you check that behavior, please?
TIADavide
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On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:20:41 PM GMT+2, Esteban Lorenzano via 
Pharo-users  wrote:  
 
   
Dear Pharo users and dynamic language lovers:
 
We have released Pharo version 12!
 
What is Pharo?