Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
Hi, Nicolai Hess wrote But I don't understand why we do not use the pulse plugin with pharo. ( vm-sound-OSS is working too, and the source is already in the source tree) OSS is just a pain to use today. Some apps doesn't even support it anymore. And if we want to use it with Alsa, an emulation layer must be installed. But it's not the point. Nicolai Hess wrote Hey, if you want to use pharo sound on linux, you have to change your sound config and kill the sound server No, this isn't better :) I'm agree, it's not that way it should be done. But it's for me better than downloading another component to make it work, we could not know if it's fully supported or buggy. In fact, there is a good way. Having a third part of drivers that are validated with Pharo. In that way, Pharo comes with just basic drivers to make it work and in another package we could have drivers that are validated with the stable version. If they don't work, we just have to email the contributor. Pulse plugin will be in that last repo and if one day someone have some times to spend to include it in the source tree it will be great :) We could have a documentation that explain how to include others drivers and let the user choice what is best for him. It's a good start to make Pharo even better :) Xavier. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4802112.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
Sean P. DeNigris wrote Evan Donahue wrote I'm trying to get sounds working in Pharo If it helps, I started a minimal wrapper of the cross-platform FMOD library at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~SeanDeNigris/FMOD . I did enough to play mp3s. Really great ! i will try this on my linux box, thanks ! Xavier. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4802113.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
Sean, Could please indicate me how I have to do to play a mp3 inside Pharo? I loaded FMOD from your repo, but I don't know if I have to install something else, or where the mp3 file has to be or what class use. I'm running Pharo 3 and 4 under Win 8.1 Thanks in advance! best Nacho *Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA* *Prosavic SRL* *Tel: (011) 4542-6714* On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Xavier MESSNER xmess...@gmail.com wrote: Sean P. DeNigris wrote Evan Donahue wrote I'm trying to get sounds working in Pharo If it helps, I started a minimal wrapper of the cross-platform FMOD library at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~SeanDeNigris/FMOD . I did enough to play mp3s. Really great ! i will try this on my linux box, thanks ! Xavier. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4802113.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
But I don't understand why we do not use the pulse plugin with pharo. (vm-sound-OSS is working too, and the source is already in the source tree) I do not know either. Stef
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
2015-01-26 11:45 GMT+01:00 Xavier MESSNER xmess...@gmail.com: Hi, I have written a chapter which explain how to have sound in Pharo. You can read it here https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoReadyForReviews/tree/master/Sound . In fact all you have to do is to disable pulse-audio to make it work. I have tested it with ubuntu 14.04 64, ubuntu 12.04 64, OpenSuse 13.2 64, sabayon 64 (don't remember the version) and should work for every distributions. Thank you xavier. We should discuss how to solve this. Neither copy the squeak plugin, nor disabe pulse-audio, is a good solution. nicolai I think that should work for Pharo 4, but no time to test at the moment. Xavier. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801687.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
Hi, We should discuss how to solve this. Neither copy the squeak plugin, nor disabe pulse-audio, is a good solution. The two methods can be used. But I think the best is not to use the plugin. If the plugin is changing and is no longer compatible with Pharo or conversely you can no longer use this method. At the moment this is not the case. While there, disable pulse-audio allows you to use Pharo with no change in its basic version. What seems to me to be less complicated in case of bugs on the sound system. When writing the article for Linux Magazine (a French magazine) I asked myself this question. Should I write to use the Squeak's plugin or simply stop Pulse-Audio? I put myself in the place of a newcomer in Pharo who wants to use the sound system. Install a plugin from elsewhere to run Pharo could give the image of a not finished tool. While there, the plugin does not exist and it does not matter because the sound works with a clear and simple method. It works out of the box. After that, in a near future we should have a plugin for Pulse-Audio or best, Linux should have only one method to access sound, but it's another story :) Xavier. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801768.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
2015-01-26 17:10 GMT+01:00 Xavier MESSNER xmess...@gmail.com: Hi, We should discuss how to solve this. Neither copy the squeak plugin, nor disabe pulse-audio, is a good solution. The two methods can be used. But I think the best is not to use the plugin. If the plugin is changing and is no longer compatible with Pharo or conversely you can no longer use this method. At the moment this is not the case. But I don't understand why we do not use the pulse plugin with pharo. ( vm-sound-OSS is working too, and the source is already in the source tree) While there, disable pulse-audio allows you to use Pharo with no change in its basic version. What seems to me to be less complicated in case of bugs on the sound system. Hey, if you want to use pharo sound on linux, you have to change your sound config and kill the sound server No, this isn't better :) When writing the article for Linux Magazine (a French magazine) I asked myself this question. Should I write to use the Squeak's plugin or simply stop Pulse-Audio? I put myself in the place of a newcomer in Pharo who wants to use the sound system. Install a plugin from elsewhere to run Pharo could give the image of a not finished tool. While there, the plugin does not exist and it does not matter because the sound works with a clear and simple method. It works out of the box. After that, in a near future we should have a plugin for Pulse-Audio or best, Linux should have only one method to access sound, but it's another story :) Xavier. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801768.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
Evan Donahue wrote I'm trying to get sounds working in Pharo If it helps, I started a minimal wrapper of the cross-platform FMOD library at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~SeanDeNigris/FMOD . I did enough to play mp3s. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801848.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
on what platform ? linux , mac or windows? 2015-01-25 17:55 GMT+01:00 Evan Donahue emdon...@gmail.com: Hello, I'm trying to get sounds working in Pharo and I seem to be unable to locate a combination of PharoExtras/Sound and image/vm version that add up to audible sound. The best I've done so far is pharo3/sound6.1, which lets me beep, and write sounds to wav files, but the primitive for playing sounds fails silently. The pharo4/sound6 combination seems not to have a SoundService object that Beeper depends on, so I don't even get beeps. If anyone could help me figure out which version of what code is best supported right now, or why the sound playing primitive is failing, it would be most appreciated. Thank you, Evan
[Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
Hello, I'm trying to get sounds working in Pharo and I seem to be unable to locate a combination of PharoExtras/Sound and image/vm version that add up to audible sound. The best I've done so far is pharo3/sound6.1, which lets me beep, and write sounds to wav files, but the primitive for playing sounds fails silently. The pharo4/sound6 combination seems not to have a SoundService object that Beeper depends on, so I don't even get beeps. If anyone could help me figure out which version of what code is best supported right now, or why the sound playing primitive is failing, it would be most appreciated. Thank you, Evan
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
That did the trick. Thanks. Evan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801633.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
64-bit Arch linux 3.17.6-1-ARCH I seem to be running pulse-audio with alsa, and I believe I have all the 32-compadibility libraries installed, but my experience with linux sound is limited. What is Pharo expecting? Thanks, Evan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801584.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence
I don't know exaclty why we don't build the pulse audio plugin for pharo. But you can take a squeak vm (Squeak-4.3-all-in-one) for example and copy the Squeak-4.3-All-in-One/Contents/Linux-i686/lib/squeak/4.4.7-2357/so.vm-sound-pulse in your pharo-vm directory pharo-vm/vm-sound-pulse after that, sound works at least on ubuntu 14.04 with latest pharo vm and image and pharoextras/sound package 2015-01-25 19:11 GMT+01:00 Evan Donahue emdon...@gmail.com: 64-bit Arch linux 3.17.6-1-ARCH I seem to be running pulse-audio with alsa, and I believe I have all the 32-compadibility libraries installed, but my experience with linux sound is limited. What is Pharo expecting? Thanks, Evan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801584.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
