Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Werner Kassens]

On 01/22/2016 01:31 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote:

I think this is a problem of the way nautilus adds a breakpoint for
debugging the test.
(source code and byte code aren't in sync).


opened bug report 17455

werner

Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Tudor Girba]

Hi,

Yes. That is the type of input that we need.

It would be great if others would do the same.

Cheers,
Doru


> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:42 AM, stepharo  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> Many of you may bthink that I'm mad or whatever about new UI elements. 
> Sometimes this is true :)
> but most of the time not. I'm just going straight and (harsh) comments.
> So what I propose to the GT team is the following:
>I'm ready to be a guinea pig
>Each time they want I will record a screenflow of my interaction or 
> perception about new/different tools.
>I will follow a UI debugging  process an expert proposed: talking aloud 
> about my hypotheses while interacting and
>discovering the tools. I play that in the past with other people and it 
> works well.
> 
>I encourage other people to do the same to give feeback to GT team.
> 
> Stef
> 

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Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Tudor Girba]

Hi,

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Werner Kassens  wrote:
> 
> On 01/22/2016 11:48 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes. That is the type of input that we need.
>> 
>> It would be great if others would do the same.
> 
> Hi Doru,
> ok, i often use the debugger to test that some code actually does what i 
> intended:
> in the old one i click first on "stack top" and then click through the code 
> with "into" and "over" and simply watch the results in "stack top".
> with the new debugger "stack top" is gone, in the old one it was immediately 
> reachable, since it was very much on the top of that small pane (no 
> scrolling).

Thanks. Indeed, we will add stackTop and thisContext back. They were present 
when we first integrated, but some said they are not useful for them.

> additionally "into" and "over" became smaller buttons farther away from the 
> variables section, iow more difficult to hit while also watching the lower 
> pane. and btw if i do that on tests, the debugger does not really start at 
> the beginning of the test (also restart does not help),eg open a debugger in 
> 5.0 on FFIPluginTests>>testGenericCharCall and do a "restart": you are at the 
> very end of the test.

I do not understand this one. Could you describe more specifically the scenario?

Doru

> werner
> 

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Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Werner Kassens]

On 01/22/2016 01:31 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote:


I think this is a problem of the way nautilus adds a breakpoint for
debugging the test.
(source code and byte code aren't in sync).


ah, i understand
werner

Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Werner Kassens]

On 01/22/2016 11:48 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:

Hi,

Yes. That is the type of input that we need.

It would be great if others would do the same.


Hi Doru,
ok, i often use the debugger to test that some code actually does what i 
intended:
in the old one i click first on "stack top" and then click through the 
code with "into" and "over" and simply watch the results in "stack top".
with the new debugger "stack top" is gone, in the old one it was 
immediately reachable, since it was very much on the top of that small 
pane (no scrolling). additionally "into" and "over" became smaller 
buttons farther away from the variables section, iow more difficult to 
hit while also watching the lower pane. and btw if i do that on tests, 
the debugger does not really start at the beginning of the test (also 
restart does not help),eg open a debugger in 5.0 on 
FFIPluginTests>>testGenericCharCall and do a "restart": you are at the 
very end of the test.

werner

Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Nicolai Hess]

2016-01-22 13:26 GMT+01:00 Werner Kassens :

> On 01/22/2016 01:16 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
> I do not understand this one. Could you describe more specifically the
>> scenario?
>>
>
> if i do a "debug test" in the contextmenu of "testGenericCharCall" (in
> FFIPluginTests) and press "restart" then "= 130" is highlighted.
> werner
>
>
>
I think this is a problem of the way nautilus adds a breakpoint for
debugging the test.
(source code and byte code aren't in sync).

Re: [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements

[Werner Kassens]

On 01/22/2016 01:16 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:


I do not understand this one. Could you describe more specifically the scenario?


if i do a "debug test" in the contextmenu of "testGenericCharCall" (in 
FFIPluginTests) and press "restart" then "= 130" is highlighted.

werner