Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders.
Quick way to know if it's a B or an A. If it's the Edison decal and has an end-gate then it's a B. If it's the banner decal it could be an early B or an A. The two quick differences to look for is the B is a little taller and the A has the speed control above the bedplate on the front left. Glenn --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:55 PM Good questions, they obviously look like they sound, the surface is dulled out and discolored from the tightly wrapped white cotton over the years, you can actually hear the introduction and the music but the loud continuous SCRATCH sound makes them undesirable for listening. Is this a B or an A ? maybe I have the two confused, I am going back to the reference book to check this one. There is an original 14 Edison Horn with this one, and just looking at the gearing I would say it is a conversion to play 2 4 minute cylinders. Also when I got home I did some further checking in the interior of the Cabinet and found the early H 4 minute reproducer with the gold colored tinge on the outside inside. A bonus ! since I thought the machine only had the original C reproducer with it. Why were these 28 cylinders never removed from the storage boxes ? As you said, a story we may never know. Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:28:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. Great find Bruce. It's unfortunate not to be able to play them though. So what do they look like? Are they shiny and would expect them to play well and they don't? Or do they look like they sound? I'm picturing in my head a heat damaged 78 that is real dull. Did you end up with the Standard B as well? Interesting timing and wonder why they would have these. The earliest B was from late 1905. I wonder if they were given a bunch of old cylinders with it and they just never got played. A mystery we'll never solve... --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:04 PM I recently picked up what certainly appears to be a box full of 28 New Old Stock Edison two minute Black Wax cylinders from around 1902-1903. The boxes were right on the cusp of the change over from the Box which included Echo All over the World (without the term Gold Moulded), to the First Boxes to use that term in late 1903. What convinced me that these boxes and cylinders were new old stock, is that all 28 Cylinders were each carefully wrapped in cotton, and some still had the remnants of the old paraffin paper that was wrapped around the cotton. Now the hard part. Since I am equally into to Records as I am into old Phonographs, and enjoy playing my new finds, I certainly wanted to see if these records were playable. This certainly was questionable as the lady that sold them to me, said that they had been stored for many years in the Attic of an Old House, and had somehow managed to be salvaged, along with a nice converted (2 4 minute) Standard B Edison Phonograph, from a horrendous fire that destroyed the house many years ago. The seller said she was always afraid to remove the tightly packed cylinders from the boxes, because they were so fragile and she feared breaking them. I decided when I got this box of cylinders home to open maybe half of them to test out the condition of the cylinders. I was able to remove them by grasping the inner projected edges of the spiral inside the cylinders and gently nudging them out. Unfortunately, the pressure of the tight packing against the grooves all these years,along with the extremes of heat and cold had from the attic storage had taken its toll on the playability of these early Two Minute Black Wax cylinders, and you could play and understand the selection but the continuous loud scratching sound, made them undesirable for listening enjoyment. Still it was the very first time I have happened across any new/old stock cylinders, and the boxes themselves are not that common, they are shown as Types D E F on Page 153 Allen's ECR Edison Cylinder Records 1889-1912, and I do still have about half the boxes untouched and undisturbed remaining in their original New Old Stock form complete with the cotton and remaining parafin wrapping just as they left the Factory back in 1902-1903. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders.
Good questions, they obviously look like they sound, the surface is dulled out and discolored from the tightly wrapped white cotton over the years, you can actually hear the introduction and the music but the loud continuous SCRATCH sound makes them undesirable for listening. Is this a B or an A ? maybe I have the two confused, I am going back to the reference book to check this one. There is an original 14 Edison Horn with this one, and just looking at the gearing I would say it is a conversion to play 2 4 minute cylinders. Also when I got home I did some further checking in the interior of the Cabinet and found the early H 4 minute reproducer with the gold colored tinge on the outside inside. A bonus ! since I thought the machine only had the original C reproducer with it. Why were these 28 cylinders never removed from the storage boxes ? As you said, a story we may never know. Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:28:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. Great find Bruce. It's unfortunate not to be able to play them though. So what do they look like? Are they shiny and would expect them to play well and they don't? Or do they look like they sound? I'm picturing in my head a heat damaged 78 that is real dull. Did you end up with the Standard B as well? Interesting timing and wonder why they would have these. The earliest B was from late 1905. I wonder if they were given a bunch of old cylinders with it and they just never got played. A mystery we'll never solve... --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:04 PM I recently picked up what certainly appears to be a box full of 28 New Old Stock Edison two minute Black Wax cylinders from around 1902-1903. The boxes were right on the cusp of the change over from the Box which included Echo All over the World (without the term Gold Moulded), to the First Boxes to use that term in late 1903. What convinced me that these boxes and cylinders were new old stock, is that all 28 Cylinders were each carefully wrapped in cotton, and some still had the remnants of the old paraffin paper that was wrapped around the cotton. Now the hard part. Since I am equally into to Records as I am into old Phonographs, and enjoy playing my new finds, I certainly wanted to see if these records were playable. This certainly was questionable as the lady that sold them to me, said that they had been stored for many years in the Attic of an Old House, and had somehow managed to be salvaged, along with a nice converted (2 4 minute) Standard B Edison Phonograph, from a horrendous fire that destroyed the house many years ago. The seller said she was always afraid to remove the tightly packed cylinders from the boxes, because they were so fragile and she feared breaking them. I decided when I got this box of cylinders home to open maybe half of them to test out the condition of the cylinders. I was able to remove them by grasping the inner projected edges of the spiral inside the cylinders and gently nudging them out. Unfortunately, the pressure of the tight packing against the grooves all these years,along with the extremes of heat and cold had from the attic storage had taken its toll on the playability of these early Two Minute Black Wax cylinders, and you could play and understand the selection but the continuous loud scratching sound, made them undesirable for listening enjoyment. Still it was the very first time I have happened across any new/old stock cylinders, and the boxes themselves are not that common, they are shown as Types D E F on Page 153 Allen's ECR Edison Cylinder Records 1889-1912, and I do still have about half the boxes untouched and undisturbed remaining in their original New Old Stock form complete with the cotton and remaining parafin wrapping just as they left the Factory back in 1902-1903. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders.
Ok, it is the A. The dimensions match the A exactly, as the B was slightly taller and wider and deeper then the A. So it is an A, converted to play both 2 4 minute Cylinders. Also has the gear cover which I discovered in one of the Cylinder boxes, and also the H reproducer which I discovered inside the the phonograph. Yes, is has the banner in the front. Thanks for your help. I would date this one to 1902 as it has the original C reproducer and original Black Brass 14 horn, which in that year replaced the previous reproducer and horn which came standard with Model A. Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 11:52:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. Quick way to know if it's a B or an A. If it's the Edison decal and has an end-gate then it's a B. If it's the banner decal it could be an early B or an A. The two quick differences to look for is the B is a little taller and the A has the speed control above the bedplate on the front left. Glenn --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:55 PM Good questions, they obviously look like they sound, the surface is dulled out and discolored from the tightly wrapped white cotton over the years, you can actually hear the introduction and the music but the loud continuous SCRATCH sound makes them undesirable for listening. Is this a B or an A ? maybe I have the two confused, I am going back to the reference book to check this one. There is an original 14 Edison Horn with this one, and just looking at the gearing I would say it is a conversion to play 2 4 minute cylinders. Also when I got home I did some further checking in the interior of the Cabinet and found the early H 4 minute reproducer with the gold colored tinge on the outside inside. A bonus ! since I thought the machine only had the original C reproducer with it. Why were these 28 cylinders never removed from the storage boxes ? As you said, a story we may never know. Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:28:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. Great find Bruce. It's unfortunate not to be able to play them though. So what do they look like? Are they shiny and would expect them to play well and they don't? Or do they look like they sound? I'm picturing in my head a heat damaged 78 that is real dull. Did you end up with the Standard B as well? Interesting timing and wonder why they would have these. The earliest B was from late 1905. I wonder if they were given a bunch of old cylinders with it and they just never got played. A mystery we'll never solve... --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:04 PM I recently picked up what certainly appears to be a box full of 28 New Old Stock Edison two minute Black Wax cylinders from around 1902-1903. The boxes were right on the cusp of the change over from the Box which included Echo All over the World (without the term Gold Moulded), to the First Boxes to use that term in late 1903. What convinced me that these boxes and cylinders were new old stock, is that all 28 Cylinders were each carefully wrapped in cotton, and some still had the remnants of the old paraffin paper that was wrapped around the cotton. Now the hard part. Since I am equally into to Records as I am into old Phonographs, and enjoy playing my new finds, I certainly wanted to see if these records were playable. This certainly was questionable as the lady that sold them to me, said that they had been stored for many years in the Attic of an Old House, and had somehow managed to be salvaged, along with a nice converted (2 4 minute) Standard B Edison Phonograph, from a horrendous fire that destroyed the house many years ago. The seller said she was always afraid to remove the tightly packed cylinders from the boxes, because they were so fragile and she feared breaking them. I decided when I got this box of cylinders home to open maybe half of them to test out the condition of the cylinders. I was able to remove them by grasping the inner projected edges of the spiral inside the cylinders and gently nudging them out. Unfortunately, the pressure of the tight packing
[Phono-L] Edison Standard A
The A standard has the black painted crank, the B has the nickel plated crank, that is the easiest way to tell them apart. The ICS B has the governor control knob and the early B has the banner case. So when in doubt look at the crank. It only took me 28 years to figure this out. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] SLIGHT delay in April In The Groove
Just got this from Phil Stewart who asked me to pass this on: Steve Howdy: Just getting over a rather uncomfortable intestinal thing which lasted almost a week. This on the heels of our printer going on vacation. In short, ITG will not be mailed until next week. Please let folks know that I was on the job as soon as I got off the commode. Phil ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] SLIGHT delay in April In The Groove
What a load of crap ;) Seriously, hope Phil is feeling better! Loran On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:40 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: Just got this from Phil Stewart who asked me to pass this on: Steve Howdy: Just getting over a rather uncomfortable intestinal thing which lasted almost a week. This on the heels of our printer going on vacation. In short, ITG will not be mailed until next week. Please let folks know that I was on the job as soon as I got off the commode. Phil ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] SLIGHT delay in April In The Groove
Groan... On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: What a load of crap ;) Seriously, hope Phil is feeling better! Loran On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:40 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: Just got this from Phil Stewart who asked me to pass this on: Steve Howdy: Just getting over a rather uncomfortable intestinal thing which lasted almost a week. This on the heels of our printer going on vacation. In short, ITG will not be mailed until next week. Please let folks know that I was on the job as soon as I got off the commode. Phil ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
