Re: [Phono-L] Pot metal swelling geographically speaking (new topic)

2013-08-20 Thread clockworkhome

While the term 'potmetal' was used for many low melting point alloys the modern 
name for the potmetal we are familiar with is 'die cast zinc.'  Zinc is 
actually a wonderful metal to cast with a melting point of  419.53 °C or 787.15 
°F.  This is low enough so that a mold can easily be made of many materials.  
Today the purity of zinc is very high, around 99.999% before it is mixed with 
other metals to make alloys.  Aluminum is common but any alloy commonly raises 
the melting point so pure zinc is preferred for most applications.  Some metals 
cannot be added to the zinc in even tiny amounts without creating a 
dimensionally unstable alloy.

The potmetal problems we see on phonographs is mostly due to 'inter granular 
crystal growth' and is not temperature related.  The old timers called this 
'dezincification'  which is a misnomer since the zinc really does not go 
anywhere unless a piece falls off.  If even a tiny amount of certain elements 
like tin, lead, cadmium, sulfur, or other contaminate is introduced into the 
liquid casting metal the result with time will be slow deformation of the 
casting as atomic bonds dissociate along crystal lines while other crystals 
actually grow.  Thus, some portions of the solid casting may contract while 
others expand.  A very pure potmetal will be dimensionally stable for very long 
periods of time.

The contaminated batches may have been inadvertent.  Old pipe organ pipes made 
of zinc could have been used for scrap in the melting pot without the people 
thinking about the lead/tin solder seams.  Just that small amount of 
contamination is enough to ruin a full batch of zinc.  Some batches were very 
pure and that is why you can find a perfect potmetal reproducer body with some 
regularity.

Another problem is the cooling rate when the casting was removed.  A rapid 
cooling of a die cast zinc will leave stress in the metal.  A slow cooling 
allows for the metal to naturally anneal at lower stress.  Die cast zinc today 
that needs to be accurate to a high degree is removed from the mold and allowed 
to go through a series of cooler furnaces before reaching room temperature.

There are environmental elements that can add to a bad batch of zinc.  If the 
casting was exposed to salt air (a.k.a. sodium chloride) or acidic air such as 
the sulfur dioxide coal plants produce, then any porosity may become a source 
of oxidation and the casting will suffer.  Zinc oxide will form along the 
microscopic lines between zinc crystals and they too will cause expansion but 
much less than a bad batch would cause.

But HEY, these things were not supposed to last more than a couple of centuries 
anyway! ! !

May all your finds be rare ones,
Al

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Re: [Phono-L] Pot metal swelling geographically speaking (new topic)

2013-08-20 Thread Zonophone2006
you are so right al
what we collect today were consumable goods and not supposed to last  
forever
zono
 
 
In a message dated 8/20/2013 2:13:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
clockworkh...@aol.com writes:


While the term 'potmetal' was used for many low melting point  alloys the 
modern name for the potmetal we are familiar with is 'die cast  zinc.'  Zinc 
is actually a wonderful metal to cast with a melting point  of  419.53 °C or 
787.15 °F.  This is low enough so that a mold can  easily be made of many 
materials.  Today the purity of zinc is very high,  around 99.999% before it 
is mixed with other metals to make alloys.   Aluminum is common but any 
alloy commonly raises the melting point so pure  zinc is preferred for most 
applications.  Some metals cannot be added to  the zinc in even tiny amounts 
without creating a dimensionally unstable  alloy.

The potmetal problems we see on phonographs is mostly due to  'inter 
granular crystal growth' and is not temperature related.  The old  timers 
called 
this 'dezincification'  which is a misnomer since the zinc  really does not 
go anywhere unless a piece falls off.  If even a tiny  amount of certain 
elements like tin, lead, cadmium, sulfur, or other  contaminate is introduced 
into the liquid casting metal the result with time  will be slow deformation 
of the casting as atomic bonds dissociate along  crystal lines while other 
crystals actually grow.  Thus, some portions of  the solid casting may 
contract while others expand.  A very pure potmetal  will be dimensionally 
stable 
for very long periods of time.

The  contaminated batches may have been inadvertent.  Old pipe organ pipes  
made of zinc could have been used for scrap in the melting pot without the  
people thinking about the lead/tin solder seams.  Just that small amount  
of contamination is enough to ruin a full batch of zinc.  Some batches  were 
very pure and that is why you can find a perfect potmetal reproducer body  
with some regularity.

Another problem is the cooling rate when the  casting was removed.  A rapid 
cooling of a die cast zinc will leave  stress in the metal.  A slow cooling 
allows for the metal to naturally  anneal at lower stress.  Die cast zinc 
today that needs to be accurate to  a high degree is removed from the mold 
and allowed to go through a series of  cooler furnaces before reaching room 
temperature.

There are  environmental elements that can add to a bad batch of zinc.  If 
the  casting was exposed to salt air (a.k.a. sodium chloride) or acidic air 
such as  the sulfur dioxide coal plants produce, then any porosity may 
become a source  of oxidation and the casting will suffer.  Zinc oxide will 
form 
along the  microscopic lines between zinc crystals and they too will cause 
expansion but  much less than a bad batch would cause.

But HEY, these things were not  supposed to last more than a couple of 
centuries anyway! ! !

May all  your finds be rare  ones,
Al

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