[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Hi, you can hang and quarter me now. I was the one who bought the BF Columbia, reasons for it. Was in unmolested condtion, or am I too fussy? This guy firebottles gets some nice gear. He had a BG, with all the bells and whistles, sold for $2,800. Even though the cabinet had been repolished, with Sheble and Howthorne Nickle horn, and matching crane? There was also a nice AZ nothing special with aftermarth horn and stand and that went for $2,400. Is beauty in the eye of the beholder? Well, now I am looking for a nice nickle horn for it, so I put out to the universe, can someone help me here? Cheers Mark
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Yes, that was the Peerless with the Blue Amberol Cylinder on it. I was wondering myself about that. Especially since the seller told me that he played it and it sounded fine. The machine was in super nice condition as I remember. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless What was the record that was on the mandrel or am I getting machines mixed up? Steve Hi, you can hang and quarter me now. I was the one who bought the BF Columbia, reasons for it. Was in unmolested condtion, or am I too fussy? This guy firebottles gets some nice gear. He had a BG, with all the bells and whistles, sold for $2,800. Even though the cabinet had been repolished, with Sheble and Howthorne Nickle horn, and matching crane? There was also a nice AZ nothing special with aftermarth horn and stand and that went for $2,400. Is beauty in the eye of the beholder? Well, now I am looking for a nice nickle horn for it, so I put out to the universe, can someone help me here? Cheers Mark ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Mark Dawson wrote: Hi, you can hang and quarter me now. No hangin's allowed here, Mark :) If you're happy with the deal, that's all that counts. Now, what else are you interested in? ;) Loran
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Wow, I never thought of that !! A two minute Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Could that be what drove the price up?? The Strange thing is that I actually sent the owner an email asking him if he played the blue amberol on the BF, he answered that he did and it sounded fine. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless Maybe he's got one of those 2 min. Amberols. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
These were from the Mexican series and they normally sell for under $200. From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:31:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless Wow, I never thought of that !! A two minute Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Could that be what drove the price up?? The Strange thing is that I actually sent the owner an email asking him if he played the blue amberol on the BF, he answered that he did and it sounded fine. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lherault at bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF PeerlessMaybe he's got one of those 2 min. Amberols. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320309111547ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 This price looks a somewhat high for this machine. Is there something I am not seeing here. I notice it has a blue Amberol cylinder on it, could it have been converted to play 4 minute cylinders?? Bruce
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:24 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320309111547ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 This price looks a somewhat high for this machine. Is there something I am not seeing here. I notice it has a blue Amberol cylinder on it, could it have been converted to play 4 minute cylinders?? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Thanks, as I thought. I had never heard of a 4 minute BF Peerless, and I have one exactly like it. yes indeed, must have some funky bidders out there, funking up the prices. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Columbia did make the BF in a 24 minute version. I have one. Or else they made an adaptor kit to convert the machines. The 24 minute gearing is accomplished the same way it is on other Columbias of this vintage - there is a spider planetary idler gear mounted inside the gear housing that is either engaged or disengaged via a lever that fits inside a slot on the gear cover over the feed screw. The Columbia #12 Lyric reproducer is used with the 24 minute machines. These have a single tubular sapphire rod instead of a button stylus which is the proper size for playing 4 minute records. Obviously, this small stylus will eat up 2 minute wax records, but Columbia didn't care as they were making celluloid 2 and 4 minute records at that time. I don't see the gear shift lever on this eBay machine, so it's probably the 2 minute model. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless Thanks, as I thought. I had never heard of a 4 minute BF Peerless, and I have one exactly like it. yes indeed, must have some funky bidders out there, funking up the prices. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes loran at oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
I agree, a friend of mine has a lovely one with the original 4 minute shift on it. And a nice nickel horn. --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Greg Bogantz gbogantz1 at charter.net wrote: From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:48 PM Columbia did make the BF in a 24 minute version. I have one. Or else they made an adaptor kit to convert the machines. The 24 minute gearing is accomplished the same way it is on other Columbias of this vintage - there is a spider planetary idler gear mounted inside the gear housing that is either engaged or disengaged via a lever that fits inside a slot on the gear cover over the feed screw. The Columbia #12 Lyric reproducer is used with the 24 minute machines. These have a single tubular sapphire rod instead of a button stylus which is the proper size for playing 4 minute records. Obviously, this small stylus will eat up 2 minute wax records, but Columbia didn't care as they were making celluloid 2 and 4 minute records at that time. I don't see the gear shift lever on this eBay machine, so it's probably the 2 minute model. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless Thanks, as I thought. I had never heard of a 4 minute BF Peerless, and I have one exactly like it. yes indeed, must have some funky bidders out there, funking up the prices. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes loran at oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Maybe he's got one of those 2 min. Amberols. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
that appears to be about an 800 to 1000 machine some of the bidders have low numbers mm could there be a shill here In a message dated 10/15/2008 6:23:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce78rpm at comcast.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320309111547ssPageName=ADM E:B:WNA:US:1123 **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002)
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn?
I found a similar machine BF about 8-10 years ago, complete with a tripod crane such as you mention, the original recorder still in the box, and a beautiful 11 pedaled Nickel Plated Morning glory horn which hung perfectly from the crane. At the time the horn had been sitting around in storage for so long, it was covered with so many layers and layers of dirt and dust, that you couldn't see the nickel plating beneath. But when I got it home and cleaned and polished it, the nickel eventually shined so bright that looking into it you could see your reflection in all 11 pedals!! An outstanding find to say the least. I am not sure whether Columbia made and issued these horns as an option with the Peerless or whether it was after market. Maybe someone else with more knowledge of the Columbia set ups and options can chime in on this. Bruce - Original Message - From: Richard Rubin richard_ru...@hotmail.com To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn? Greetings. Can anyone out there tell me anything about what kind of horn a Columbia BF (aka Peerless) might have come with as standard issue, and what upgrades people might have made? The machine in question has no horn but was found with a free-standing tripod crane, so I imagine it wasn't just a 14 witches hat. Would, say, a 25 brass bell horn have fit well, or would a flowery morning glory horn have been more likely? How much would such a horn (if original and in very nice shape) run me these days, and how easy are they to find? Also, I would appreciate any other information anyone could offer me about this machine (including, but certainly not limited to, how it sounds), as I'm not generally a cylinder person and I know very little about it. Thanks in advance. Oh, and how rare are these 6, 3-minute Twentieth Century cylinders, anyway? What do they go for, typically? ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn?
When I had my first BG, I bought three mint 20th Century cylinders and paid $250 each for mint ones and $200 for a semi mint one! I sold them with the machine, and then bought one of them back recently for around $150.00 as I recall. Those suckers are expensive!! John Robles bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: As far as the Twentieth Century 6 Cylinders, they are very rare, especially finding one in good to excellent condition in the box. Here is one that sold recently, and as you can see it was in far from perfect shape and still commanded a large sum. http://cgi.ebay.com/COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-RECORD-TWENTIETH-CENTURY-6-INCH_W0QQitemZ110046163049QQihZ001QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - Original Message - From: Richard Rubin To: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn? Greetings. Can anyone out there tell me anything about what kind of horn a Columbia BF (aka Peerless) might have come with as standard issue, and what upgrades people might have made? The machine in question has no horn but was found with a free-standing tripod crane, so I imagine it wasn't just a 14 witches hat. Would, say, a 25 brass bell horn have fit well, or would a flowery morning glory horn have been more likely? How much would such a horn (if original and in very nice shape) run me these days, and how easy are they to find? Also, I would appreciate any other information anyone could offer me about this machine (including, but certainly not limited to, how it sounds), as I'm not generally a cylinder person and I know very little about it. Thanks in advance. Oh, and how rare are these 6, 3-minute Twentieth Century cylinders, anyway? What do they go for, typically? ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn?
An alternative to original 6 Columbia cylinders are reproductions from Paul Morris (in England). There are 6 or 7 titles that he offered 2 years ago. I would assume that he is still making them. I own a few of them myself. The cases are exact replicas and look great! From allena...@aol.com Mon Oct 30 07:49:38 2006 From: allena...@aol.com (allena...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:59 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn? Message-ID: cc6.1947dd2.32777...@aol.com In a message dated 10/30/2006 6:57:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, bruce78...@comcast.net writes: !! An outstanding find to say the least. I am not sure whether Columbia made and issued these horns as an option with the Peerless or whether it was after market. Maybe someone else with more knowledge of the Columbia set ups and options can chime in on this. ** We have an up to date chart of all Columbia cylinder machines, and their official and optional horns, with measurements. Allen www.phonobooks.com
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn?
Allen, is this chart viewable on the website, or in a book? We have an up to date chart of all Columbia cylinder machines, and their official and optional horns, with measurements. Allen www.phonobooks.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn?
My Columbia BF has two metal loops on the back, one at the top and one at the bottom. A crane rod passes through these loops, and supports a black horn with a brass bell. I can't remember where the horn is at the moment, but my guess is that it is 2.5 to 3 feet long. Jim Nichol On Oct 30, 2006, at 6:55 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: I found a similar machine BF about 8-10 years ago, complete with a tripod crane such as you mention, the original recorder still in the box, and a beautiful 11 pedaled Nickel Plated Morning glory horn which hung perfectly from the crane. At the time the horn had been sitting around in storage for so long, it was covered with so many layers and layers of dirt and dust, that you couldn't see the nickel plating beneath. But when I got it home and cleaned and polished it, the nickel eventually shined so bright that looking into it you could see your reflection in all 11 pedals!! An outstanding find to say the least. I am not sure whether Columbia made and issued these horns as an option with the Peerless or whether it was after market. Maybe someone else with more knowledge of the Columbia set ups and options can chime in on this. Bruce - Original Message - From: Richard Rubin richard_ru...@hotmail.com To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless -- horn? Greetings. Can anyone out there tell me anything about what kind of horn a Columbia BF (aka Peerless) might have come with as standard issue, and what upgrades people might have made? The machine in question has no horn but was found with a free-standing tripod crane, so I imagine it wasn't just a 14 witches hat. Would, say, a 25 brass bell horn have fit well, or would a flowery morning glory horn have been more likely? How much would such a horn (if original and in very nice shape) run me these days, and how easy are they to find? Also, I would appreciate any other information anyone could offer me about this machine (including, but certainly not limited to, how it sounds), as I'm not generally a cylinder person and I know very little about it. Thanks in advance. Oh, and how rare are these 6, 3-minute Twentieth Century cylinders, anyway? What do they go for, typically? ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
