Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004801cb3e0b$5c546bf0$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From:
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
I agree, worst show ever. It was a buyers market but no one was buying! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hi John, I sent the seller a message and a link to the Crapophone website. He sent me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and here it is: On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information: Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for Authentic, Antique Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining eBay... Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and no disclosure, b ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. Lesson learned... Curt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9
