Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

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felt vibration dampers, the felt strips along the perimeter or both?

 

Ron L

 

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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

Iv seen the felt on other victor machines with felt on them too, I would
assume it is correct on that basis.

 

John Robles 



 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List  
Date: 10/16/2015 11:05 AM (GMT-08:00) 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ,
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question 

I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?   The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?Oh, other questions.   Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening. 

Thanks!

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[Phono-L] ARSC Research Grants Program 2016

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The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message.

--- ARSC RESEARCH GRANTS PROGRAM ---
Deadline for receipt of applications: February 29, 2016


The ARSC Research Grants Program supports scholarship and publication in the
fields of sound recording research and audio preservation. (This program is
separate from the ARSC Preservation Grants Program, which encourages and
supports the preservation of historically significant sound recordings of
Western Art Music.) Project categories eligible for consideration include:
discography, bibliography, historical studies of the sound recording
industry and its products, and any other subject likely to increase the
public's understanding and appreciation of the lasting importance of
recorded sound. ARSC encourages applications from individuals whose research
forms part of an academic program at the master's or doctoral level.

ARSC members and non-members alike are eligible for grants in amounts up to
$1000. Grant funds can be used to underwrite clerical, editorial, and travel
expenses. Funds may not be used to purchase capital equipment or recordings,
to perform operations on sound recordings, to reimburse applicants for work
already performed, or to support projects that form part of a paid job.
Grant recipients must submit documentation of their expenses before
reimbursement. All grant funds must be disbursed within eighteen months of
the grant award.

Grant recipients are required to submit brief descriptions of their projects
for publication in the ARSC Journal, and are encouraged to submit articles
about their projects, for possible publication in the Newsletter or Journal.

Research Grant Applications shall include:
-- a summary of the project (one page maximum), with samples of the work, if
possible;
-- a budget covering the entire project, highlighting the expenses the ARSC
Grant will cover (one page maximum);
-- a curriculum vitae; and
-- an indication of the prospects for publication or other public
dissemination of the project results.

Applications should be sent to:
Suzanne Flandreau
ARSC Grants Committee Chair
621 N. Fifth Street
Niles, MI 49120
U.S.A.
(Four paper copies and one electronic copy in Microsoft Word.) or
arscgra...@aol.com (E-mail attachment.)

Applications must be received by February 29, 2016.

The current Research Grant guidelines can be viewed at:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/committees/researchgrants.html

Questions about the Research Grants Program should be directed to Suzanne
Flandreau at:
arscgra...@aol.com


The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.  
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, 
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +




I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe 
cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to 
get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had 
been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  
Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with 
a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record 
folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I 
can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut 
and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of 
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +




I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.  
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, 
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +




I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe 
cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to 
get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had 
been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  
Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with 
a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record 
folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I 
can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

The Victor P like the R uses green felt around the perimeter of the motorboard 
or bedplate. You are correct. It's purpose is to dampen the sound.The screws 
that hold the arm are oxidized, as is the. escutcheon and screws. The crank 
should be nickel plated. Please post your name so we know who you are.Harvey 
Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List 
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ; phonol...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question

I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?    Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening.

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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It looks like the brackets are flat plates with holes in them for the rods.
If that is the case, can't you just make them?  You would know the diameter
of the rods.  You probably know the size of the plates from outlines of the
originals and you can probably map out the mounting holes from the wood as
well.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:40 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing
system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and
look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph
-recently.html#re.v/149/
 

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or
at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com




  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany
bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a
while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down
below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they
typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the
same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a
full set of record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much
time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in
the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph,
and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of
the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in
the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt
with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying
it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let
me know.  Thanks!  

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[Phono-L] Silvertone Table Top For Sale

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I have a good buddy who has a Mahogany Silvertone table top for sale. It is the 
equivalent of the Victrola IX. He is asking $65.00 with $45.00 shipping. If 
anyone is interested, contact me at harveykrav...@yahoo.com, and I will forward 
this to my buddy.Harvey Kravitz

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

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Ah, yes, I did forget to sign the post.   My apolgies.  Your information is
most helpful.  Thanks,

 

Ron L'Herault

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

The Victor P like the R uses green felt around the perimeter of the
motorboard or bedplate. You are correct. It's purpose is to dampen the
sound.The screws that hold the arm are oxidized, as is the. escutcheon and
screws. The crank should be nickel plated. Please post your name so we know
who you are.

Harvey Kravitz

 

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From: Antique Phonograph List 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ;
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question


I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening. 

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Silvertone Table Top For Sale

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I forgot to mention, he is looking for any reasonable offers.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List 
 To: Antique Phonograph List  
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 3:32 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Silvertone Table Top For Sale
   
I have a good buddy who has a Mahogany Silvertone table top for sale. It is the 
equivalent of the Victrola IX. He is asking $65.00 with $45.00 shipping. If 
anyone is interested, contact me at harveykrav...@yahoo.com, and I will forward 
this to my buddy.Harvey Kravitz


   

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for
vertical-cut and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If
so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?

  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing
system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and
look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph
-recently.html#re.v/149/
 

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or
at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com




  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany
bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a
while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down
below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they
typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the
same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a
full set of record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much
time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in
the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph,
and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of
the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in
the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt
with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying
it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let
me know.  Thanks!  

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no 
thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
Ric


 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List 
Date: 10/16/2015  10:04 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List 
 To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" 
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut 
and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of 
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

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.yiv9807075353ExternalClass body.yiv9807075353ecxhmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I posted this query last 
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing 
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little 
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of 
the wooden framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm 
talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball 
stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay.
Ric

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List 
Date: 10/16/2015  10:18 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: 
Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about 
restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I 
have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and 
that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a 
pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden 
framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the 
third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com


From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice 
Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an 
estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, 
the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they 
had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I 
found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, 
broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition.  
Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to 
install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the 
identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each 
half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into 
some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has 
anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some 
instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks! 


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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

They are pretty hard to find.Try George Vollema(Victrola Doctor). These are 
pricey. They can cost as much a $50.00 or more. Go with somebody reliable. You 
might get one cheap and the stylus is chipped or damaged.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List 
 To: Antique Phonograph List 
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no 
thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
Ric


 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List 
Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders



Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz

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To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 I posted this query last 
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing 
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little 
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of 
the wooden framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm 
talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts 

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

Hi Ron, Glad to help. If you have anymore questions, post them and we will 
help.Harvey Kravitz

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 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:37 PM
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information is most helpful.  Thanks,  Ron L'Herault  

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question  The Victor P like the R uses green 
felt around the perimeter of the motorboard or bedplate. You are correct. It's 
purpose is to dampen the sound.The screws that hold the arm are oxidized, as is 
the. escutcheon and screws. The crank should be nickel plated. Please post your 
name so we know who you are.Harvey Kravitz  From: Antique Phonograph List 

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ; phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question
I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?    Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening.

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List 
 To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" 
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut 
and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of 
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I posted this query last 
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing 
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little 
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of 
the wooden framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll 
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm 
talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks! 

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs.  He's
great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts.  Having said that,
if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental
technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist).  I drilled a very small
hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on
Columbia machines. It was ball shaped.   And I'll bet Steve Medved could
make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in
the states.  George would be the easier way to go first though.

 

Ron L

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe
ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay.

 

Ric



 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List  
Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'  
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders 

You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold.

 

Ron L

 

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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

 

One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for
vertical-cut and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If
so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?

  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +

I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing
system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and
look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph
-recently.html#re.v/149/
 

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or
at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com





  _  

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany
bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a
while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down
below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they
typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the
same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a
full set of record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much
time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in
the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph,
and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of
the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in
the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt
with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying
it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let
me know.  Thanks!  

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Ric, I know exactly what you need. These are tough to find because the 
envelopes are brittle, and the hardware usually gets lost or broken. Maybe 
George Vollema(Victrola Doctor) can help. He has all kinds of parts.Harvey 
Kravitz

  From: Antique Phonograph List 
 To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" 
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

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I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.  
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, 
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com





From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +

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.yiv9770236001ExternalClass body.yiv9770236001ecxhmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9770236001 I am in the process of 
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it 
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, 
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, 
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed 
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in 
excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no 
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the 
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods 
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the 
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I 
can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you 
possibly offer me some instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks! 

Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

[Antique Phonograph List]

Interesting.   The brake and speed control that are on this machine look like 
they were nickel plated.   I'm guessing this unit was a cheaply done parts 
assembly made to look like a P.

 

Ron

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:51 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

It is oxidized to match the bedplate.

Harvey Kravitz

 

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From: Antique Phonograph List 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'  
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

Is the little brake oxidized copper as well?

 

Ron L

 

 

From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

 

The Victor P like the R uses green felt around the perimeter of the motorboard 
or bedplate. You are correct. It's purpose is to dampen the sound.The screws 
that hold the arm are oxidized, as is the. escutcheon and screws. The crank 
should be nickel plated. Please post your name so we know who you are.

Harvey Kravitz

 

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From: Antique Phonograph List 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ; phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question


I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?  The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?Oh, other questions.  Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening. 

Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

I have one around here somewhere, but would not recommend its use.

If you have the room, I'd strongly recommend getting an Edison Diamond Disc 
phonograph. The sound will be much better and your records will be safe from 
damage.  They turn up quite regularly around here at giveaway prices - watch 
Craigslist and you will find one quickly I'm sure.

- only the Edison has a gear drive to move the heavy reproducer/tonearm across 
the record, rather than relying on friction with the side wall of the record 
groove to do so

- the Edison system is tuned for performance and really does sound great

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
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> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Antique Phonograph List  
> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no 
> thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
>
> Ric
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Antique Phonograph List 
> Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Antique Phonograph List 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
>
> Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a 
> conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.
> Harvey Kravitz
>
> From: Antique Phonograph List 
> To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" 
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
>
> One more question:  Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two 
> reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for 
> vertical-cut and diamond discs.  Could these really play diamond discs?  If 
> so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?
>
>
>
> From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +
>
> I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a 
> Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually 
> called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, 
> EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that 
> secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. 
>  If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look 
> closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:
>
> http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/
>
> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or 
> at the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ric
> uws...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +
>
> I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe 
> cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to 
> get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had 
> been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically 
> do.  Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model 
> -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of 
> record folders in excellent condition.  Unfortunately, so much time has 
> passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the 
> cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and 
> it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the 
> wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the 
> bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has anybody dealt with 
> this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions?
>
> Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
> as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
> smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
> the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
> and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.
>
> Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let 
> me know.  Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[Antique Phonograph List]

Not to mention that many Edison DD machines are still complete with their 
original collection of records, which accurately reflect the Middle-Class 
musical tastes of 100 years ago ...


- Original Message - 

If you have the room, I'd strongly recommend getting an Edison Diamond Disc 
phonograph. The sound will be much better and your records will be safe from 
damage.  They turn up quite regularly around here at giveaway prices - watch 
Craigslist and you will find one quickly I'm sure.



- only the Edison has a gear drive to move the heavy reproducer/tonearm 
across the record, rather than relying on friction with the side wall of the 
record groove to do so



- the Edison system is tuned for performance and really does sound great


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Re: [Phono-L] Victor P question

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Iv seen the felt on other victor machines with felt on them too, I would assume 
it is correct on that basis.
John Robles 

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From: Antique Phonograph List 
Date: 10/16/2015  11:05 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' , phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P question

I'm working on a Victor P, the one based on the R with its metal motorboard.
This one has strips of felt-like material around the underside perimeter of
the motorboard.  Should they be there?   The cabinet has countersunk areas
where the mounting screws go into the case.  I imagine the vibration damping
material was there.  Felt or rubber?    Oh, other questions.   Should the
screws holding the support arm to the case be bright finish or blackened?
Is the brake exactly the same as on other P machines.  This one had a rubber
washer mounted with an ugly screw and bolt fastening.

Thanks!

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