Re: [PHP-DEV] I hope this is the last email about this :) (was RFC: CLI behave like SH or PERL/RUBY/PYTHON?)

[Melvyn Sopacua]

At 02:51 24-10-2002, Alan Knowles wrote:


Im +1 for reverting the patch - (for what it's worth)

Why?
Well - most 'average' (and below) PHP programmers when attempting to do 
CLI programming, will get a serious WTF reaction from wondering why when 
they 'echo' stuff, it doesnt appear. The more advanced Users can manually 
turn off flushing, but for most small, quick scripts (eg. 50%+), this 
instant flush is going to be perfectly acceptable..

My thoughts exactly. Defaults should work for the masses - it's not like 
it's enforced behavior, that is irreversible.


With kind regards,

Melvyn Sopacua
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Re: [PHP-DEV] I hope this is the last email about this :) (was RFC: CLI behave like SH or PERL/RUBY/PYTHON?)

[Edin Kadribasic]

I thought that we have agreed that you should revert the patch. You can now 
change the default behavior by both ini_set() and .the -d switch if you don't 
like the default.

Edin

On Thursday 24 October 2002 00:27, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
 Derick Rethans wrote:
  On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
 Yes, since it should not set in php_cli.c.
 It's a lot confusing, bad thing to do with current code,
 inefficient, bad default, etc.
 
  It's a very good default

 Derick,

 It's a very _bad_ default. Fortunately, it's not released yet.
 That's why I'm against it strongly.

 IMO, flushing on every output by default is stupid setting.
 If you ever programmed interactive programs, you should know
 that unless you're ignorant about efficiency.

 I guess my questions are too hard to be understood by you
 compare to the last one. Derick, it seems you're alone so far.

 http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=89995

 Do you finally realize your argument actually did not make sense?
 (Unless you need stupid PHP/CLI shell that requires start/end tag
 to do anything, of course ;)

 I'm going to fix it again unless many people want to make
 PHP/CLI behave like a shell rather than programming language.

 Alternatively, could you fix it again? (including Makefile.global)
 Thank you and I hope this is the last mail about this.

 PS: If you would like to write INI independent scripts, I
 suggest you to use php.ini-recommended at least. You don't/
 didn't know phps crashing and make test does not work well with
 php.ini-recommended, nonetheless, you're insisting there is no
 problems.


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