[PHP-DEV] Re: midgard, was RE: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV] Non-GPL readline
SL If (a) is true then I could GPL my copy of PHP and then use and SL GPL-non-LGPL code I liked You can not GPL PHP code - that's not your code, you don't hold a copyright on it. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ +972-3-6139665 ext.115 -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] midgard, was RE: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV]Non-GPL readline
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Sam Liddicott wrote: Midgard, soon to use php4 is to be released GPL (according to their website www.midgard-project.org). How will this work; will it just be the patch to php4 that makes it INTO migard that will be GPL, or midgard+PHP that will be GPL. The owner of GPLed code can grant third parties the right to use the code with certain non-GPLed programs (i.e. PHP). The merged result will inherit all license conditions from both code bases (unless the owner of the code expressively states something else). The result won't be solely under the GPL, but under a (cumbersome and sometimes contradictionary) set of conditions. - Sascha -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] midgard, was RE: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV] Non-GPL readline
At 12:08 17/1/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: They obviously can't distribute PHP under the GPL. And I wish they would just contribute whatever patches to PHP they think need so Midgard could use a vanilla PHP install. Stas talked to them a while ago, some of their patches don't really align with PHP's syntax / design. It's not a matter of licensing. How bad could it be? Anything we can't just toss into a --with-midgard switch? -Rasmus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] midgard, was RE: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV] Non-GPL readline
At 12:02 17/1/2001, Sam Liddicott wrote: If (b) is true then surely we need officialy a choice of license (or at least project-midgard.org does) As Rasmus said, obviously they can't distribute PHP under the GPL - and there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean that they can't distribute PHP (plain), and midgard under their own license. Zeev -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] midgard, was RE: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV] Non-GPL readline
At 12:17 17/1/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: At 12:08 17/1/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: They obviously can't distribute PHP under the GPL. And I wish they would just contribute whatever patches to PHP they think need so Midgard could use a vanilla PHP install. Stas talked to them a while ago, some of their patches don't really align with PHP's syntax / design. It's not a matter of licensing. How bad could it be? Anything we can't just toss into a --with-midgard switch? Language-syntax level stuff (parserscanner)... Zeev -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV] Non-GPL readline
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 11:16:14AM +0100, Ragnar Kjrstad wrote: On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 09:11:56AM -, Sam Liddicott wrote: If I were to write a proxy library which could integrate with various read-line style libraries - lets say just the GNU one for now to save time, and er... released this proxy under LGPL, surely PHP could use my proxy and thus make use of GNU's GPL'd readline. No, not if the proxy is linked into both php and gettext. GPL can only be linked to other GPL code, or code that is licensed under a GPL compatible license. If our extension is written to support a non-GPL readline clone (say a BSD licensed one), and it then accidentally works with the GNU readline shared library, that can't be our problem, or? I guess it's not that simple, just a thought. Stig -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Legal solution: RE: [PHP-DEV] Non-GPL readline
Quoting Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, if your code is compatible with a GNU library, which is, in turn, compatible with some other library (commercial, BSD) that is legal to link with PHP, then things change. Obviously, this all story about encouraging the users to break the license is no longer relevant, and the whole bogus-to-begin-with story of not allowing to release code that is 'compatible with a certain library' becomes rediculous. This whole affair is turning into an alarming waste of time as well; if this were something like the mysql module, then it would be a lot more worrying, but how many people use the _readline_ module with PHP? I'm sure all two of them would find an alternative if it were to disappear :-) -- Anil Madhavapeddy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
