RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] PHP in the future
At 16:46 07.06.2002, Joseph Tate wrote: How much of C has been reused, and reused and reused again? There is no oo in stdlib. Ah come on there is no oo in c. You should have asked for C++ and STL (and that is very much of code reuse even though its pro is its main foe: it is so much of reuse that nearly none understands it). To add something here from my point: - When working alone PHP is fine and Java is oversized. - However i do like the PHP API very much because a) it is very powerfull and b) it does not use oo where that is not needed. - People here are mixing up thinks they do not really understand: Java is class based OO -MI +Interfaces C++ is class based OO JavaScript is OO without classes but with prototypes. PHP is something between Java/JavaScript -Interfaces +Aggregation (added by module). It has classes but allows dynamically adding of members. - When people here ask for private/protected/public this means they want to hide some class internal realisation aspects from derived classes. This is mostly used by workgroups where everyone has his own part and a class protocol (some meber functions and their interaction) is designed to allow every group member to code happily for his own in his area and knowing how to interact correctly with the others. - The above does not affect the ability to dynamically add members. However in some cases it offends class design and in other cases it is a greatly welcomed ability. (...) bla bla we had that already - FIRST: Do we want a language that can be used by workgroups? - FIRST conclusion (for me): YES if we do not make the language more complex to everybody. Here i must repeat (just follow up the thread and did not remeber who wrote it): AN EXTENSION TO THE LANGUAGE CAN BE IGNORED by those who do - not like it - not understand it It would not be Java because in Java you have no procedural paradigm and therefore you are forced to know every little OO aspect in Java before beeing able to use any part of its api. In PHP oo is only a goodie that can be used so why not making it a good one? - SECOND: We want to integrate XML/SOAP (SRM) and so on: Does anybody who endores this (nearly all here do) believe this is of any sense when not allowing more than one programmer working on the same project? I mean hey both are very complex and it is nonsense believing those features can be used alone in acceptable time. - SECOND conclusion (for me): We need some more OO features. marcus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] PHP in the future
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:27:13AM -0500, Jason T. Greene wrote: IMO, one of the big reasons for having a powerful OO mode, and continually evolving php to have a bigger target than just a web programming language, is code re-usability. You do not need OO for this. OO just helps you to manage your namespaces better. The rest is just good coding practice and a little bit of organisation. OO also helps with instancing, code organsiation, etc ... but thats not specific to more OO (as we are suggesting) ... thats also true to the existing OO capabilities PHP has. We are not asking for anything more than to extend PHP's OO capabilities (which is what this thread is all about). However you look at it - the rest of the points made on this list still stand. Extra OO does not detract from the purpose / goals of PHP nor the ZE. For census purposes (so I know weither Id be wasting my time writing a patch) can I get a karma rating (++/--) on adding extra OO capabilities reasons would also be nice (not to provoke yet more debate but to see peoples over all views). -- Dan Hardiker [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ADAM Software Systems Engineer First Creative Ltd -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] PHP in the future
How much of C has been reused, and reused and reused again? There is no oo in stdlib. -Original Message- Code reusability is a psychological issue. You can reuse code in PHP 4, and it'll be even better in 5 - PEAR is a clear demonstration of this. Whether people actually end up reusing code depends on the way they code, very little does it depend on the language. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] PHP in the future
At 05:46 PM 6/7/2002, Joseph Tate wrote: How much of C has been reused, and reused and reused again? There is no oo in stdlib. Exactly. C is one of the easiest languages for code reuse, but it totally depends on your programming habits and skill. As a matter of fact, I find Java to be one of the most problematic languages for code reuse in certain cases. Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
