Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: migrating PHPs across machines...
[insert other shameless plugs here] On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Abhimanyu_bhola wrote: Suppose I want to migrate PHPs from a Linux/Apache machine to an IIS box(having PHP installed) What needs to be done apart from physically copying the files??? what needs to be done to the php.ini file??? You may need to migrate any database code if you switch database types. If you may need to do that in the future, you may want to start thinking of using a database abstraction package that lets you write database independent code so you don't have to rewrite much (any) code. In that case, the best option for you is Metabase. Besides allowing you to write database independent code, it also allows you to define and install database schemas using a database independent schema description files all based in XML. If some day you decide to move, you may just ask Metabase to dump the database schema and all the data stored in it to a XML file that you can use to reinstall in a new database type and carry on with you application as if nothing was changed. AFAIK, nothing provides this facility, not with PHP nor anything else, not even Java. Metabase is freely available from here: http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/20 Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [insert other shameless plugs here] What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( Regards, Manuel Lemos On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Abhimanyu_bhola wrote: Suppose I want to migrate PHPs from a Linux/Apache machine to an IIS box(having PHP installed) What needs to be done apart from physically copying the files??? what needs to be done to the php.ini file??? You may need to migrate any database code if you switch database types. If you may need to do that in the future, you may want to start thinking of using a database abstraction package that lets you write database independent code so you don't have to rewrite much (any) code. In that case, the best option for you is Metabase. Besides allowing you to write database independent code, it also allows you to define and install database schemas using a database independent schema description files all based in XML. If some day you decide to move, you may just ask Metabase to dump the database schema and all the data stored in it to a XML file that you can use to reinstall in a new database type and carry on with you application as if nothing was changed. AFAIK, nothing provides this facility, not with PHP nor anything else, not even Java. Metabase is freely available from here: http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/20 Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2002-12-01 05:24, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [insert other shameless plugs here] What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( Chill Manuel! If your responses to the smallest slight were less overblown/entertaining, people would taunt you *much* less often. Also, user level questions should stay on the general or db list. --zak -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[insert other shameless plugs here] derick, since i know you are able to read some german: http://learn.to/quote ;) regards, Peter Petermann -- *ZIMT - where PHP meets needs* PHP Usergroups: www.phpug.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP Infos: www.php-center.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] VL-SRM Homepage: www.vl-srm.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Zak Greant wrote: On 2002-12-01 05:24, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [insert other shameless plugs here] What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( Chill Manuel! If your responses to the smallest slight were less overblown/entertaining, people would taunt you *much* less often. I don't think there is an excuse for Derick sistematic arrogance. Still, that is just my opinion. I wish the Dericks of this this list would better spend their time helping that Zaks instead of just annoying the Manuels because they hardcoded in their minds that repressing the Manuels is a much better thing to do! :-) Also, user level questions should stay on the general or db list. Yes, sorry, my mistake, I didn't quite notice the list this was going to, I just followed-up the original post. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2002-12-01 05:41, Manuel Lemos wrote: Zak Greant wrote: On 2002-12-01 05:24, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [insert other shameless plugs here] What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( Chill Manuel! If your responses to the smallest slight were less overblown/entertaining, people would taunt you *much* less often. I don't think there is an excuse for Derick sistematic arrogance. Still, that is just my opinion. I feel that you have read too much into too little. However, this is only my opinion as well. :) I wish the Dericks of this this list would better spend their time helping that Zaks instead of just annoying the Manuels because they hardcoded in their minds that repressing the Manuels is a much better thing to do! :-) But Derick *does* spend time helping me.* :) I still think that with just a teeny bit of restraint on both sides, this would not happen. Also, user level questions should stay on the general or db list. Yes, sorry, my mistake, I didn't quite notice the list this was going to, I just followed-up the original post. :) No worries - I have done the same many times. * As have *many* people on this list - even you. :) -- Zak Greant PHP Quality Assurance Team http://qa.php.net/ We must be the change we wish to see. - M. K. Ghandi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: migrating PHPs across machines...
Hello! On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [insert other shameless plugs here] What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? The truth? You mean 'the truth by Manuel' I think. Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Exactly. Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. Isn't it arrogant to plug metabase at every opportunity, even if it isn't slightly related to the topic? (And also on the wrong list). Isn't it arrogant to call ppl 'new guys that just got *php.net', while they have contributed a great deal in 20 months, both in coding, thinking, documentation, bug reviewing? Isn't it arrogant to call ppl 'big shots', while you act like one yourself in every situation as one? What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( I indeed did not like your response for these reasons: 1) Wrong list. 2) It had little to do with the question. 3) I just don't like any response from you. 4) I just enjoy reading your funny comments on everything Derick -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I indeed did not like your response for these reasons: 1) Wrong list. 2) It had little to do with the question. 3) I just don't like any response from you. 4) I just enjoy reading your funny comments on everything + 1 regards, Peter Petermann -- Homepage: www.cyberfly.net PHP Usergroups: www.phpug.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP Infos: www.php-center.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] VL-SRM Homepage: www.vl-srm.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, Zak Greant wrote: What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( Chill Manuel! If your responses to the smallest slight were less overblown/entertaining, people would taunt you *much* less often. I don't think there is an excuse for Derick sistematic arrogance. Still, that is just my opinion. I feel that you have read too much into too little. However, this is only my opinion as well. :) His follow messages just confirm what I said. I wish the Dericks of this this list would better spend their time helping that Zaks instead of just annoying the Manuels because they hardcoded in their minds that repressing the Manuels is a much better thing to do! :-) But Derick *does* spend time helping me.* :) I still think that with just a teeny bit of restraint on both sides, this would not happen. I was kidding, but since you took it seriously, just by going to http://bugs.php.net/search.php I can see that there 920 outstand bug reports to be addressed. How come anybody can think that repressing Manuel is a better way to spend time than fixing all those bugs? I looks like Derick wants to show off and exhibit his official @php.net badge and act like a PHP mailing lists watchdog. Never mind, lets let him figure that he'd better have a life of his own instead of bothering to step on others' feet. Also, user level questions should stay on the general or db list. Yes, sorry, my mistake, I didn't quite notice the list this was going to, I just followed-up the original post. :) No worries - I have done the same many times. * As have *many* people on this list - even you. :) It was not intended, but now you have to face the justice or Mr. Net cop Derick. Just to relax, you know that 4 years ago I wrote a book named something that would be translated as Being on the Internet. I have one chapter that talks about typical behaviours that the Internet make outstand in users. One of the described behaviours is what I called the Net Cop. It is that guy that thinks of himself of a big shot that knows all and is going to fix the world by repressing others. Derick just reminded me of a Net Cop. Anyway, I tend to understand people like him, because as I explained in the book, usually people just repress others because they are or at least were repressed by others in the past. Despite they hated it, they just do the same and repress others with shouting at them with public messages to try to humilliate them, just like Derick tried. Never mind, nothing that some good analysis sessions would not solve! :-) Anyway, talking about books, and to not completely waste this thread I have just skimmed your book, PHP Functions Essential Reference. I must congratulate you and your co-authors for the book. It is a very good approach to make turn a reference manual into a much more useful PHP programming hand book. I am sorry I could not yet find time to publish a review in the PHP Classes site because I have been very busy with things that gave me a lot of work like completely removing the uses of strtok function from the site code because PHP developers broke it after version 4.0.6 and I could not avoid the upgrade to use the APC cache to speedup the site service. I probably only have time to review your book in February because I am still very busy with a new release of Metabase to be out on its second anniversary since its first public release that will happen on the 18th. There are a few inovating features that I want release but I have to work a lot to make it happen in time. Then I need to get back to MetaL developement that will also have its first public release soon, hopefully some time next month. But don't worry I will make a nice review of your book anytime until then. Regards, Manuel Lemos Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 06:23 PM 1/12/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: I was kidding, but since you took it seriously, just by going to http://bugs.php.net/search.php I can see that there 920 outstand bug reports to be addressed. How come anybody can think that repressing Manuel is a better way to spend time than fixing all those bugs? What on earth do these two issues have to do with each other? (this is a rhetorical question, I'll appreciate it if you didn't answer it). If people feel like taking a vacation, they'll take a vacation. If they feel like going to a movie, they'll go see a movie. If people feel like fixing bugs, they'll fix bugs. If people are annoyed by what you say, they'll tell you that. If they enjoy doing that for whatever past reasons, they'll also enjoy doing that! Do you get the idea behind the 'free world' concept? (the same comment from the previous question applies) You can't cover yourself with some bulletproof vest against criticism, by saying that people should spend time fixing bugs instead of replying to you. Each and every person will decide what he wants to do, and you never had, don't have, and never will have the dictatorial ability to tell them what to do. You try to do that every time, and just like it never worked in the past, it will never work in the future. Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2002-12-01 09:23, Manuel Lemos wrote: [cut] His follow messages just confirm what I said. I find intolerance in both sides of the argument. But Derick *does* spend time helping me.* :) I still think that with just a teeny bit of restraint on both sides, this would not happen. I was kidding, but since you took it seriously, just by going to http://bugs.php.net/search.php I can see that there 920 outstand bug reports to be addressed. How come anybody can think that repressing Manuel is a better way to spend time than fixing all those bugs? I looks like Derick wants to show off and exhibit his official @php.net badge and act like a PHP mailing lists watchdog. Never mind, lets let him figure that he'd better have a life of his own instead of bothering to step on others' feet. Manuel, Derick spends a fabulous amount of time on improving PHP. I very much respect his effort and generally quiet, determined demeanor. He is not showing off his status. He is venting frustration that many in the community feel. Many of the long and loud threads on this list over the last little while have been pointless fights... You defend yourself so vigorously and take offense so quickly that people have trouble relating to you. [cut] It was not intended, but now you have to face the justice or Mr. Net cop Derick. Actually I don't - in fact, I don't recall ever having been troubled by those who disagree with you. I am probably the least adept of the people actively involved with the development effort and I make a lot of mistakes and foolish suggestions, yet no one troubles me... Just to relax, you know that 4 years ago I wrote a book named something that would be translated as Being on the Internet. I have one chapter that talks about typical behaviours that the Internet make outstand in users. One of the described behaviours is what I called the Net Cop. It is that guy that thinks of himself of a big shot that knows all and is going to fix the world by repressing others. Derick just reminded me of a Net Cop. Anyway, I tend to understand people like him, because as I explained in the book, usually people just repress others because they are or at least were repressed by others in the past. Despite they hated it, they just do the same and repress others with shouting at them with public messages to try to humilliate them, just like Derick tried. Never mind, nothing that some good analysis sessions would not solve! :-) Manuel, you are very intelligent and have the benefit of being older than many of us on the list - why can't you identify your own behavior in the bad things that you attribute to others? I believe that you are a net cop. Derick certainly is not - I somewhat am -- just by the virtue of not being able to leave other people's discussions well enough alone. :) Anyone remember when I was *stupid* enough to try and moderate the last big fight between Zeev and Sascha? Anyway, talking about books, and to not completely waste this thread I have just skimmed your book, PHP Functions Essential Reference. I must congratulate you and your co-authors for the book. It is a very good approach to make turn a reference manual into a much more useful PHP programming hand book. Thank you! We worked hard on providing cookbook-style examples to match the reference material. I am sorry I could not yet find time to publish a review in the PHP Classes site because I have been very busy with things that gave me a lot of work like completely removing the uses of strtok function from the site code because PHP developers broke it after version 4.0.6 and I could not avoid the upgrade to use the APC cache to speedup the site service. This is an example of the negative behavior that we discuseed. Everyone know that you have issues with this. Each time that you bring it up without adding any constructive input with it, it makes people angry. If I found what I considered to be a flaw in Metabase, and continually hounded you on the problem without offering any compromise or assistance, you would likely not find me very good company. I probably only have time to review your book in February because I am still very busy with a new release of Metabase to be out on its second anniversary since its first public release that will happen on the 18th. There are a few inovating features that I want release but I have to work a lot to make it happen in time. Then I need to get back to MetaL developement that will also have its first public release soon, hopefully some time next month. But don't worry I will make a nice review of your book anytime until then. No worries on timing. Regards, Manuel Lemos Regards, Manuel Lemos -- Zak Greant PHP Quality Assurance Team http://qa.php.net/ We must be the change we wish to see. - M. K. Ghandi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe,
RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: migrating PHPs across machines...
Thanks a lot. # but I dont think I need to do this if I dont switch my DB server !!! and, # what to do regarding the php.ini file? Do I have to manually transfer all the settings by examining the old and new ones or how to go about it? Regards, Abhi -Original Message- From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Abhimanyu_bhola Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: migrating PHPs across machines... Hello, Abhimanyu_bhola wrote: Suppose I want to migrate PHPs from a Linux/Apache machine to an IIS box(having PHP installed) What needs to be done apart from physically copying the files??? what needs to be done to the php.ini file??? You may need to migrate any database code if you switch database types. If you may need to do that in the future, you may want to start thinking of using a database abstraction package that lets you write database independent code so you don't have to rewrite much (any) code. In that case, the best option for you is Metabase. Besides allowing you to write database independent code, it also allows you to define and install database schemas using a database independent schema description files all based in XML. If some day you decide to move, you may just ask Metabase to dump the database schema and all the data stored in it to a XML file that you can use to reinstall in a new database type and carry on with you application as if nothing was changed. AFAIK, nothing provides this facility, not with PHP nor anything else, not even Java. Metabase is freely available from here: http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/20 Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2002-12-01 05:14, Abhimanyu_Bhola wrote: Thanks a lot. # but I dont think I need to do this if I dont switch my DB server !!! and, # what to do regarding the php.ini file? Do I have to manually transfer all the settings by examining the old and new ones or how to go about it? Hi Abi, While Manuel was kind enough to answer you, this question is best suited to the PHP database or general mailing list. The Dev list is (usually) for discussing issues related to building PHP instead of building with PHP. --zak -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, Zak Greant wrote: On 2002-12-01 09:23, Manuel Lemos wrote: [cut] His follow messages just confirm what I said. I find intolerance in both sides of the argument. Agreed, but that did not happen because of no reason. When somebody steps on your feet deliberately what do you do? Certainly you will not say Thank you hit again! But Derick *does* spend time helping me.* :) I still think that with just a teeny bit of restraint on both sides, this would not happen. I was kidding, but since you took it seriously, just by going to http://bugs.php.net/search.php I can see that there 920 outstand bug reports to be addressed. How come anybody can think that repressing Manuel is a better way to spend time than fixing all those bugs? I looks like Derick wants to show off and exhibit his official @php.net badge and act like a PHP mailing lists watchdog. Never mind, lets let him figure that he'd better have a life of his own instead of bothering to step on others' feet. Manuel, Derick spends a fabulous amount of time on improving PHP. I very much respect his effort and generally quiet, determined demeanor. He is not showing off his status. He is venting frustration that many in the community feel. Many of the long and loud threads on this list over the last little while have been pointless fights... Zak, Derick started it by turning this thread into a pointless fight as you say. You defend yourself so vigorously and take offense so quickly that people have trouble relating to you. If and when you ever be faced by misunderstanding and bias against you, you will understand me. [cut] It was not intended, but now you have to face the justice or Mr. Net cop Derick. Actually I don't - in fact, I don't recall ever having been troubled by those who disagree with you. I am probably the least adept of the people actively involved with the development effort and I make a lot of mistakes and foolish suggestions, yet no one troubles me... Sorry, when I said you I mean somebody that could be me or anybody that has to put up with a net cop like person, not that it will happen to you. Just to relax, you know that 4 years ago I wrote a book named something that would be translated as Being on the Internet. I have one chapter that talks about typical behaviours that the Internet make outstand in users. One of the described behaviours is what I called the Net Cop. It is that guy that thinks of himself of a big shot that knows all and is going to fix the world by repressing others. Derick just reminded me of a Net Cop. Anyway, I tend to understand people like him, because as I explained in the book, usually people just repress others because they are or at least were repressed by others in the past. Despite they hated it, they just do the same and repress others with shouting at them with public messages to try to humilliate them, just like Derick tried. Never mind, nothing that some good analysis sessions would not solve! :-) Manuel, you are very intelligent and have the benefit of being older than many of us on the list - why can't you identify your own behavior in the bad things that you attribute to others? I was attacked and I feel that I have the right to respond to protect me from being humilliated by kids like Derick that have to intention respect me. I believe that you are a net cop. Derick certainly is not - I somewhat am So, you did not what understand (or I was not able to explain) what a net cop is. A net cop is just a person that voluntarily sits that and try to police people just to nailed them sometimes imposing public humilliation. That is what Derick did by his own initiative. Regardless if he or anybody liked my response, he should not forget that was just a reaction to his attact to my person. -- just by the virtue of not being able to leave other people's discussions well enough alone. :) Anyone remember when I was *stupid* enough to try and moderate the last big fight between Zeev and Sascha? No. :-) Anyway, talking about books, and to not completely waste this thread I have just skimmed your book, PHP Functions Essential Reference. I must congratulate you and your co-authors for the book. It is a very good approach to make turn a reference manual into a much more useful PHP programming hand book. Thank you! We worked hard on providing cookbook-style examples to match the reference material. No problem, I know that it is very hard to write books and at the same time provide good value for the reader in such way that it motivates them to buy them. I am sorry I could not yet find time to publish a review in the PHP Classes site because I have been very busy with things that gave me a lot of work like completely removing the uses of strtok function from the site code because PHP developers broke it after version
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Hello, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 06:23 PM 1/12/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: I was kidding, but since you took it seriously, just by going to http://bugs.php.net/search.php I can see that there 920 outstand bug reports to be addressed. How come anybody can think that repressing Manuel is a better way to spend time than fixing all those bugs? What on earth do these two issues have to do with each other? (this is a rhetorical question, I'll appreciate it if you didn't answer it). If people feel like taking a vacation, they'll take a vacation. If they feel like going to a movie, they'll go see a movie. If people feel like fixing bugs, they'll fix bugs. If people are annoyed by what you say, they'll tell you that. If they enjoy doing that for whatever past reasons, they'll also enjoy doing that! Do you get the idea behind the 'free world' concept? (the same comment from the previous question applies) You can't cover yourself with some bulletproof vest against criticism, by saying that people should spend time fixing bugs instead of replying to you. Each and every person will decide what he wants to do, and you never had, don't have, and never will have the dictatorial ability to tell them what to do. You try to do that every time, and just like it never worked in the past, it will never work in the future. You got me wrong. If you read again in the beginning, I said I was kidding. Then I expressed my opinion that fixing PHP bugs would be a better way to spend time than come here and start yet another repress Manuel thread. I never said or intended that you would have to agree. You can disagree, but my opinion is that is not reasonable. The world can live without this, but bugs need to be fixed soon or later, or else they will remain there forever rotten. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[insert other shameless plugs here] What is the matter with you? Why this hostility again? Does the truth bothers you? The truth? You mean 'the truth by Manuel' I think. Derick, learn, against facts there is no argument. but he is right... You just seem to suffer from some sort of envy or anything like that makes you so obcessed with repressing me to point users to us stuff that I developed. Relax, it is done in PHP and not in anything else. That is a good thing to help users to be motivated ti stick with PHP. Repressing me to prevent others to know about the good things that I developed in PHP for them to use, seems to be counterproductive from a person that cares about PHP community that I suppose you do. no one is trying to repress you. But if you write in a public Mailing list, and hell, yes thisone is public, you shouldnt wonder if someone doesnt agree. Maybe you should try to understand why derick is criticizing you, and try to learn of it. Are you going to start yet another repress Manuel because we don't want him to help PHP users thread? Exactly. At least you admit it. :-) Well what should he have answered instead of that? Get a grip! I wish new guys like you that just got @php.net stop acting as if you it got over your head and you think you are a big shot because of that and you the right to act this arrogant. Isn't it arrogant to plug metabase at every opportunity, even if it isn't Derick, you ought to improve your knowledge of the meaning of English work like arrogance. Since you are not a native English speaker, you are excused of course. Since I am not a native English speaker either, I am not the right person to tell you what it means. Well, im not an native english speaker too, but arrogance may be used in this context, and isnt wrong then. slightly related to the topic? (And also on the wrong list). Isn't it arrogant to call ppl 'new guys that just got *php.net', while they have contributed a great deal in 20 months, both in coding, thinking, documentation, bug reviewing? Isn't it arrogant to call ppl 'big shots', while you act like one yourself in every situation as one? I'm sorry but that is what I think you are. At least I am not an hypocrit to tell you something that I don't think. You don't respect me respect is something that isnt granted for free. you should work for that, and even if youre older try to learn of what others say. What? You did not like my response? That's to make you think again next time before you decide to get me started with your repressing arrogance. :-( I indeed did not like your response for these reasons: 1) Wrong list. I already said that I did not quite notice the list it was being posted. I made a mistake that may happen to anybody that just wants to followup a call for help. Anyway, if it was in the wrong list, why did you followup in to the same list? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to reply privately? well, if he would have written it privately, someone else would have done that in public. I get you, you just seem to try to humilliate me in public. Nice! my english dictonary doesnt tell me what humilliate means... but i think i can guess what you mean - youre wrong. 2) It had little to do with the question. Metabase has all to do with writing portable PHP applications so the original poster can benefit from that to migrate between different platforms without the usual trouble. If you don't agree, maybe you ought to spend some time getting to know it instead of coming here just to step on my feet to attack me. Metabase looks to me like just a package for porting between diffrent databases. the original question wasnt about database porting, it was about porting a php script. even if he is using a database, he doesnt need to change. He just needs to dump this database, and read this dump in the new one (same database, other Operating System). Where is the need/advantage for metabase here? You just wanted to advertise it here. My response was well on topic but you just wanted to repress at any excuse accusing me of making it a shameless plug. If that is a shameless plug, what is this then? http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=75528 I was talking about having SOAP based Web services consuption built-in PHP and you come along and push your session extension that is completely unrelated with the thread. srm is not a session extension and, Dericks post wasnt that off topic, it looks to like you just didnt read the srm papers. your extension but I can't even suggest that Metabase would be a good help for the problem of the original poster of this thread!?!? well. but it isnt, it would need him to do MORE work, without any advantages. Get a grip, inconsistent atitudes like this just ruin the credibility of your arguments! ... have a look at your glasshouse.. 3) I just don't like any response from you. Ooops, wrong answer! You are not
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: migrating PHPs across machines...
When somebody steps on your feet deliberately what do you do? Certainly you will not say Thank you hit again! He is not showing off his status. He is venting frustration that many in the community feel. Many of the long and loud threads on this list over the last little while have been pointless fights... Zak, Derick started it by turning this thread into a pointless fight as you say. he just said what he was thinking about your mail. you didnt accept that critic You defend yourself so vigorously and take offense so quickly that people have trouble relating to you. If and when you ever be faced by misunderstanding and bias against you, you will understand me. maybe youre paranoid? [cut] It was not intended, but now you have to face the justice or Mr. Net cop Derick. Actually I don't - in fact, I don't recall ever having been troubled by those who disagree with you. I am probably the least adept of the people actively involved with the development effort and I make a lot of mistakes and foolish suggestions, yet no one troubles me... Sorry, when I said you I mean somebody that could be me or anybody that has to put up with a net cop like person, not that it will happen to you. Everyone working on net meets a net cop one day, but believe, derick is no net cop. Just to relax, you know that 4 years ago I wrote a book named something that would be translated as Being on the Internet. I have one chapter that talks about typical behaviours that the Internet make outstand in users. One of the described behaviours is what I called the Net Cop. It is that guy that thinks of himself of a big shot that knows all and is going to fix the world by repressing others. Derick just reminded me of a Net Cop. Anyway, I tend to understand people like him, because as I explained in the book, usually people just repress others because they are or at least were repressed by others in the past. Despite they hated it, they just do the same and repress others with shouting at them with public messages to try to humilliate them, just like Derick tried. Never mind, nothing that some good analysis sessions would not solve! :-) Manuel, you are very intelligent and have the benefit of being older than many of us on the list - why can't you identify your own behavior in the bad things that you attribute to others? I was attacked and I feel that I have the right to respond to protect me from being humilliated by kids like Derick that have to intention respect me. see my other mail. dont take this as attack, understand why derick is writing that. dont blame it on derick, try to find out what YOU did wrong. I believe that you are a net cop. Derick certainly is not - I somewhat am So, you did not what understand (or I was not able to explain) what a net cop is. A net cop is just a person that voluntarily sits that and try to police people just to nailed them sometimes imposing public humilliation. That is what Derick did by his own initiative. Regardless if he or anybody liked my response, he should not forget that was just a reaction to his attact to my person. so in your view everyone who says something negative about you, even if he is just criticizing, he is a net cop? everyone not agreeing with you is a big bad net cop? wake up! Actually I find more valuable the people that have the guts to speak up what they think, even if they defy my points of view, rather than stay quite in the background boycotting my initiatives. lol just my 2 cents regards, Peter Petermann -- Homepage: www.cyberfly.net PHP Usergroups: www.phpug.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP Infos: www.php-center.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] VL-SRM Homepage: www.vl-srm.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Peter Petermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] When somebody steps on your feet deliberately what do you do? Certainly you will not say Thank you hit again! He is not showing off his status. He is venting frustration that many in the community feel. Many of the long and loud threads on this list over the last little while have been pointless fights... Zak, Derick started it by turning this thread into a pointless fight as you say. he just said what he was thinking about your mail. you didnt accept that critic You defend yourself so vigorously and take offense so quickly that people have trouble relating to you. If and when you ever be faced by misunderstanding and bias against you, you will understand me. maybe youre paranoid? If someone is paranoid then it is you yourself. Please stop posting to this thread. -Egon -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 08:27 PM 1/12/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: You got me wrong. If you read again in the beginning, I said I was kidding. Then I expressed my opinion that fixing PHP bugs would be a better way to spend time than come here and start yet another repress Manuel thread. I never said or intended that you would have to agree. You can disagree, but my opinion is that is not reasonable. The world can live without this, but bugs need to be fixed soon or later, or else they will remain there forever rotten. Ok then, we can actually agree on this paragraph. I just wish you didn't fallback to telling everyone to start working on bugs whenever they say something you don't like :) Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
