Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA
1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't imagine. 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an interpreted programming language. 1. Indent properly. In php, if you put an open or close brace out of place your code will break in unexpected ways as well. If it's hard to tell if something is indented properly, your code should be refactored so that it is. 2. In my experience this has a lot to do with how some people use python and not python itself. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.comwrote: On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 05:09:37PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: shiplu wrote: During PHPvsPython search I found this info graphic https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/#. Some of the statistics contain Java too. Also you can search PHP and Web Development in big job sites and compare with same search but with Java. 'Python is arguably the most readable programming language' probably says it all? Personally I find it almost impossible to understand when coming in cold to someone elses code ... Java is not much better ... but I still have to persist with both since some key elements of a usable PHP IDE now rely on both :( Python may be most readable, but it's a huge fail for two reasons: 1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't imagine. 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an interpreted programming language. And no ternary operator. tedd ___ tedd sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- From the desk of Dan Munro
Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA
in my opinion, that would be like asking how big is the internet?. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/18/heres-what-you-find-when-you-scan-the-entire-internet-in-an-hour/ On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Sebastian Krebs krebs@gmail.comwrote: 2013/8/20 Steven Staples sstap...@mnsi.net My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to support which server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java can be used server-side. I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also teach Mobile Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I am up to my butt in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know. Well, technically any language can be used server side, it is all on how you set up your server, no? No. But since node.js I lack an example :D But of course you need the link between the language and the network. I would tend to think that the biggest out there, is html/php/javascript... and next to that, would be asp, and then java. Do I have proof of this? No, can I get proof, I doubt it, and are there stats on this? To be honest, in my opinion, that would be like asking how big is the internet?. It is virtually an immeasurable object. There are so many websites out there, that you can't search them all... Of course you cannot search them _all_, but again the link: http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all There are good hints, how the internet looks like. For example a hoster can simply look at the products he sell. Services like w3techs.com use the reports from the server themself (in most cases the headers), or the file-ending (doesn't work anymore that good, since most sites hide them ;)) and extrapolate this. Of course they are not exact, but I think they show the direction quite accurate. PHP is simple, and yet powerful to use, and is pretty much the standard for all hosting companies. Now, there is this link... http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html It shows Java as #1, and php as #5, but this is also for PROGRAMMING, does not specify web based programming vs desktop vs MAD (thanks tedd ;) ) so the numbers do not really speak out in this application. Also it is the Tiobe-Index. Although it is widely-referenced, the way it calculates their rankings is ... interesting. In fact it only tells you how loud a community around a specific language is. So for example maybe Java is #1, because it is so complex, that it leads to many questions in forums and on stackoverflow. Or PHP is only #5, because most communication is on IRC, or mailinglists. (disclaimer: Of course I faked this examples. Actually I have no idea how the communities around Java and PHP as a whole interacts primary, but I don't think, that they are all equal). I just think, that the Tiobe-Index has a completely different view on what is a popular language, than I have. Does it really matter? PHP is very huge, widely used, and I would even go so far as to say the 'norm' for website developers, and hosting providers. Nope, it doesn't matter :) But that is my $0.02, and for me, I have been with PHP for 7 years professionally, and in college I took VB.net, ASP.net, C++, JAVA and PHP. Only recently have I gotten into C# for desktop applications. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch -- From the desk of Dan Munro
Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA
Zmap works by being stateless, so while nmap records which requests go out, zmap fires and forgets, and encodes the request in such a way that the response can provide whatever details it needs to continue the scan. No magic here. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Tedd Sperling wrote: I'm just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Programming_languages_used_in_** most_popular_websiteshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_most_popular_websitesmay be a better starting point, but there are no citations to the facts, they are a little dated, and some sites are a little biased in their choices? Move to the top 40 sites and PHP fares a little better - http://rogchap.com/2011/09/06/**top-40-website-programming-**languages/http://rogchap.com/2011/09/06/top-40-website-programming-languages/but but this data is a little dataed now. Personally I've always used the W3techs figures when I'm doing talks as it is the only consistent source I've found. The netcraft figures would be nice but they only run this intermittently, and last January's figure of 244 million sites at 39% of machines seems a little at odds with the W3techs ones? http://w3techs.com/ **technologies/history_overview/**programming_languagehttp://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_languagecontinues to show PHP rising at the expense of ASP and Java with Perl, Ruby and Python having trouble to stay above 1% combined over the last year. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- From the desk of Dan Munro
Re: [PHP] Last Record INSERT
Learning something new everyday is one of the joys of this profession. If you learn two new things, consider yourself lucky :) On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK mysql_[...] is deprecated in favor of mysqli_[...] correspondent functions, there's nothing to do specifically with mysql[i]_insert_id. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 26, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Stuart Dallas stu...@3ft9.com wrote: On Wednesday, 26 June 2013 at 18:39, Tedd Sperling wrote: Let me add, currently I am inserting an email address into a database. To find which record was created, I ask for the record number (ID) back. I am asking simply because mysql_insert_id() is deprecated. Now you tell me. :-) I learn something new every day of my life... and I'm getting damned tried of it. Back to the books. Thanks. Cheers, tedd _ tedd.sperl...@gmail.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- From the desk of Dan Munro
