Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
Richard, et al -- ...and then Richard Baskett said... % % on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % % % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with ... % % A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was % tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the % question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then % they could opt out of that.. That sounds a lot like opt-out spam. Is it OK for me to send you lots of unsolicted, form-letter, machine-generated emails? :-) It wasn't pretty. % % Rick HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
on 10/22/03 13:32, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, et al -- ...and then Richard Baskett said... % % on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % % % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with ... % % A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was % tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the % question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then % they could opt out of that.. That sounds a lot like opt-out spam. Is it OK for me to send you lots of unsolicted, form-letter, machine-generated emails? :-) It wasn't pretty. I understand what you are saying, but if it's part of the agreement when you sign up for the php-general mailing list.. then... And at any time you can opt in again if you wanted. Or if that is still too intrusive then have a little notice at the bottom of each php-general mailing along with the other footer stuff and let people opt in that way from the beginning... Rick Beauty of whatever kind, in its supreme development, invariably excites the sensitive soul to tears. - Edgar Allan Poe -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hello All-- I'd have to agree with Richard in that there doesn't seem to be a good way to make this idea fly--at the very least, it would be annoying (also because there really is no way to guarantee that the results would be entirely relevant to the contents of the message). I've sent an e-mail to the php.net webmaster asking their opinion on adding a link to the archives (maybe to all of them, although personally I think that would be confusing) to the signature that gets added to each message that goes through the list. We'll see what they think... any support we can muster from the list itself will certainly help ;-) Cheers Marco Richard Baskett wrote: on 10/22/03 13:32, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, et al -- ...and then Richard Baskett said... % % on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % % % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with ... % % A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was % tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the % question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then % they could opt out of that.. That sounds a lot like opt-out spam. Is it OK for me to send you lots of unsolicted, form-letter, machine-generated emails? :-) It wasn't pretty. I understand what you are saying, but if it's part of the agreement when you sign up for the php-general mailing list.. then... And at any time you can opt in again if you wanted. Or if that is still too intrusive then have a little notice at the bottom of each php-general mailing along with the other footer stuff and let people opt in that way from the beginning... Rick Beauty of whatever kind, in its supreme development, invariably excites the sensitive soul to tears. - Edgar Allan Poe -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. It's still a bit experimental, and some features don't work as best as they could. However, it should be fairly functional, and the full-text search engine can be helpful if you're looking for fast answers to problems that are often asked on the mailing lists. It's there for everyone to try, and please feel free to drop me a note if you think something doesn't quite work the way it should or if you have ideas about possible enhancement. At the present time, one of the things we're working on is filtering the messages trough SpamAssassin and allowing for the possibility to exclude messages marked as spam from the search results. We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. Cheers, Marco Tabini php|architect -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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From: Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. Everyone go check it out. The thread view and highlighting really make the search results useful. You can never have to many archives; now if we can just get people (new people) using them. ;) Ma Siva Kumar, Any chance you can add this to the [Newbie Guide] you regularly send out? Thanks, ---John Holmes... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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V. nice. All the more importnat ot NOT HIJAC threads. Miles At 10:07 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, Marco Tabini wrote: Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. It's still a bit experimental, and some features don't work as best as they could. However, it should be fairly functional, and the full-text search engine can be helpful if you're looking for fast answers to problems that are often asked on the mailing lists. It's there for everyone to try, and please feel free to drop me a note if you think something doesn't quite work the way it should or if you have ideas about possible enhancement. At the present time, one of the things we're working on is filtering the messages trough SpamAssassin and allowing for the possibility to exclude messages marked as spam from the search results. We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. Cheers, Marco Tabini php|architect -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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* Thus wrote Marco Tabini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. sweet. Mabey we could get my graphs attached in there somehow too ;) We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. I always have trouble searching for stuff with theaimsgroup archive as well. Cheers, Thanks!! Curt -- My PHP key is worn out PHP List stats since 1997: http://zirzow.dyndns.org/html/mlists/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hi, I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. 3 words... YOU DONE GOOD! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I always have trouble searching for stuff with theaimsgroup archive as well. I know what you mean. Google is a good alternative, but they still can't tell between the word PHP and the extension PHP, so that the results aren't always relevant... Cheers, Marco -- php|architect - The Magazine for PHP Professionals Try us free at http://www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:28 -0400 Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. It's still a bit experimental, and some features don't work as best as they could. However, it should be fairly functional, and the full-text search engine can be helpful if you're looking for fast answers to problems that are often asked on the mailing lists. It's there for everyone to try, and please feel free to drop me a note if you think something doesn't quite work the way it should or if you have ideas about possible enhancement. At the present time, one of the things we're working on is filtering the messages trough SpamAssassin and allowing for the possibility to exclude messages marked as spam from the search results. We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. Cheers, Marco Tabini php|architect Nice work, if the list admin would add a link to this archive in the footer (or the header) it would be even useful for new subscribers who don't know of its existence. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Nice work, if the list admin would add a link to this archive in the footer (or the header) it would be even useful for new subscribers who don't know of its existence. Well, one of my original ideas was to have a process that would monitor php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with possible answers based on the message's contents. I'm not sure that would be a good idea, though :-) Cheers, Marco -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:42:25 -0400 Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice work, if the list admin would add a link to this archive in the footer (or the header) it would be even useful for new subscribers who don't know of its existence. Well, one of my original ideas was to have a process that would monitor php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with possible answers based on the message's contents. I'm not sure that would be a good idea, though :-) I think the idea is splendid (and new, call it DFAQ (dynamic FAQ)) but as a different service than a mailing list. Challenging? Cheers, Marco Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I think the idea is splendid (and new, call it DFAQ (dynamic FAQ)) but as a different service than a mailing list. Challenging? What did you have in mind exactly? How is the FAQ served? Marco -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hi, On 2003.10.21, at 23:42 Asia/Tokyo, Marco Tabini wrote: Nice work, if the list admin would add a link to this archive in the footer (or the header) it would be even useful for new subscribers who don't know of its existence. Well, one of my original ideas was to have a process that would monitor php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with possible answers based on the message's contents. I'm not sure that would be a good idea, though :-) Sort of a PHP-AI eh? :) Hmm... I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but... I wonder how you'd deal with new messages/posts/questions which: 1. Real people don't even understand, and 2. Real posters don't even understand what they're asking. ;) - E - PS Nice work, btw! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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- Edwin - wrote: Sort of a PHP-AI eh? :) Hmm... I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but... I wonder how you'd deal with new messages/posts/questions which: 1. Real people don't even understand, and 2. Real posters don't even understand what they're asking. Well, that's, of course, a problem. In the best case scenario, the search engine will recognize the patterns and provide meaningful suggestions. In the worst case scenario, it won't return anything useful. Still, it might be worth a try. The system could send only the top ten search results. The problem is that the results should be mailed to the list so that others could tell whether they satisfy the question, but I'm afraid that would become annoying. The truth, however, is that there is a lot of repetition in the questions that are asked here and a simple search through the archives would answer many questions directly--keeping the list a bit cleaner and easier to follow, IMO. ;) - E - PS Nice work, btw! Thanks :-) Cheers, Marco __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:48:18 -0400 Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the idea is splendid (and new, call it DFAQ (dynamic FAQ)) but as a different service than a mailing list. Challenging? What did you have in mind exactly? How is the FAQ served? Considering the enourmos amount of RTFM-like answers (which BTW should be filtered out from searches)I came to believe that most issues have already been explored but lots of questions from new users are more vague or extended for a simple search engine, so something like what you proposed sounds like it would satisfy that need except that users would have to subscribe to such a service as opposed to having dynamically generated answers based on the archive replied automatically to posts which could be confuzing. As to the protocol it could be either email or http or both. Not exactly a FAQ but a more extended search engine. Marco Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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- Edwin - wrote: Sort of a PHP-AI eh? :) Hmm... I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but... I wonder how you'd deal with new messages/posts/questions which: 1. Real people don't even understand, and 2. Real posters don't even understand what they're asking. Well, that's, of course, a problem. In the best case scenario, the search engine will recognize the patterns and provide meaningful suggestions. In the worst case scenario, it won't return anything useful. Still, it might be worth a try. The system could send only the top ten search results. The problem is that the results should be mailed to the list so that others could tell whether they satisfy the question, but I'm afraid that would become annoying. The truth, however, is that there is a lot of repetition in the questions that are asked here and a simple search through the archives would answer many questions directly--keeping the list a bit cleaner and easier to follow, IMO. However, the only issue with that is that many users do not search the archives, faqs, or internet for the answers before posting to the list. This always seems the case. Many users are unaware of the ethics around mailing lists. Sometimes it is a result of the lack of knowledge that a user has in searching. And sometimes, even for myself, a lack of will to search for the answer. -- Ray -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:52:53 +0900 - Edwin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 2003.10.21, at 23:42 Asia/Tokyo, Marco Tabini wrote: Nice work, if the list admin would add a link to this archive in the footer (or the header) it would be even useful for new subscribers who don't know of its existence. Well, one of my original ideas was to have a process that would monitor php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with possible answers based on the message's contents. I'm not sure that would be a good idea, though :-) Sort of a PHP-AI eh? :) Hmm... I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but... I wonder how you'd deal with new messages/posts/questions which: 1. Real people don't even understand, and 2. Real posters don't even understand what they're asking. I think that's exactly where it's needed. At least some posters would get a chance to figure out their questions and others to have their annoyed ones justified ;-). ;) - E - PS Nice work, btw! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Andu -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Perhaps Marco can try an Ask Jeeves type of Web app. Is that the sort of thing you are suggesting? So, as another feature of this mailing list archive, there could be a place where people can ask a question, and Ask Marco will try to come up with some suggested posts to read. This would give people even fewer excuses to not check the archives. :-) Chris = My Blog http://shiflett.org/ HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ RAMP Training Courses http://www.nyphp.org/ramp -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, the only issue with that is that many users do not search the archives, faqs, or internet for the answers before posting to the list. This always seems the case. Many users are unaware of the ethics around mailing lists. I think many users are also unaware of the archives. A lot of people who ask questions on this list don't follow it for several days before doing so. They have a problem, go to http://www.php.net/ hoping to find an answer, and stumble across this list. I'm not sure what the welcome message says, but that would be the place for a newbie guide. This is the only way to be sure that users have at least had this in front of their eyes at one point, even if they still choose to ignore it. Chris = My Blog http://shiflett.org/ HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ RAMP Training Courses http://www.nyphp.org/ramp -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Chris Shiflett wrote: Perhaps Marco can try an Ask Jeeves type of Web app. Is that the sort of thing you are suggesting? So, as another feature of this mailing list archive, there could be a place where people can ask a question, and Ask Marco will try to come up with some suggested posts to read. This would give people even fewer excuses to not check the archives. :-) Well, to a certain degree our archives already work like this. For example: http://www.phparch.com/mailinglists/results.php?s=how+do+I+alternate+table+row+colours%3Fg=75 Returns the results for the question ho do I alternate table row colours?, and AFAICS the results returned are quite on target, so we're not too far from *that* goal. The problem is that people don't know/use/want to be bothered with a Web interface, and use the mailing lists instead, so this service should IMO be somehow connected with the list proper. Cheers, Marco Chris = My Blog http://shiflett.org/ HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ RAMP Training Courses http://www.nyphp.org/ramp -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Chris Shiflett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps Marco can try an Ask Jeeves type of Web app. Is that the sort of thing you are suggesting? So, as another feature of this mailing list archive, there could be a place where people can ask a question, and Ask Marco will try to come up with some suggested posts to read. This would give people even fewer excuses to not check the archives. :-) They would do it without knowing it. Remember, asking a question is an art in itself and not everyone is an artist ;-). Chris = My Blog http://shiflett.org/ HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ RAMP Training Courses http://www.nyphp.org/ramp -- Andu -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I think this is great but have one bit of hopefully constructive criticism... the horizontal real estate is too small, or the font is too large, I find the content wraps terribly :/ Cheers, Rob. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:07, Marco Tabini wrote: Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. It's still a bit experimental, and some features don't work as best as they could. However, it should be fairly functional, and the full-text search engine can be helpful if you're looking for fast answers to problems that are often asked on the mailing lists. It's there for everyone to try, and please feel free to drop me a note if you think something doesn't quite work the way it should or if you have ideas about possible enhancement. At the present time, one of the things we're working on is filtering the messages trough SpamAssassin and allowing for the possibility to exclude messages marked as spam from the search results. We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. Cheers, Marco Tabini php|architect -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Robert Cummings wrote: I think this is great but have one bit of hopefully constructive criticism... the horizontal real estate is too small, or the font is too large, I find the content wraps terribly :/ Cheers, Rob. Hi Rob-- True. Alas, it has to fit in our design, so one of the possibilities we're experimenting with is using either floating frames for the threading, or reducing the font size--the problem with the latter being that we *do* want people to be able to read the messages ;-) Thanks for the suggestion! Cheers, Marco -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Marco Tabini mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:56 AM said: True. Alas, it has to fit in our design, so one of the possibilities we're experimenting with is using either floating frames for the threading, or reducing the font size--the problem with the latter being that we *do* want people to be able to read the messages ;-) What you definitely need to do is move the threading from the left hand side to a place that doesn't constrict the width of the message. Sooo like you've suggested, the frame idea would probably work great. It could even be a div set to overflow when the content is too long placed at the top of the email. Chris. -- Don't like reformatting your Outlook replies? Now there's relief! http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Marco Tabini wrote: True. Alas, it has to fit in our design, so one of the possibilities we're experimenting with is using either floating frames for the threading, or reducing the font size--the problem with the latter being that we *do* want people to be able to read the messages ;-) Thanks for the suggestion! Cheers, Marco My suggestion would be to use iframe for the message. It would load much faster then. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Marco Tabini wrote: The problem is that the results should be mailed to the list so that others could tell whether they satisfy the question, but I'm afraid that would become annoying. Perhaps a sister list could be setup to receive these messages. This would prevent the annoyance while still providing a central location for those interested to view responses. A bit of mail server wizardry (if you'd even call it that) can ensure that messages are delivered to all those participating in the thread. Edward Dudlik Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with the person doing it. wishy washy | www.amazon.com/o/registry/EGDXEBBWTYUU - Original Message - From: Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 11:59 Subject: Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives - Edwin - wrote: Sort of a PHP-AI eh? :) Hmm... I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but... I wonder how you'd deal with new messages/posts/questions which: 1. Real people don't even understand, and 2. Real posters don't even understand what they're asking. Well, that's, of course, a problem. In the best case scenario, the search engine will recognize the patterns and provide meaningful suggestions. In the worst case scenario, it won't return anything useful. Still, it might be worth a try. The system could send only the top ten search results. The problem is that the results should be mailed to the list so that others could tell whether they satisfy the question, but I'm afraid that would become annoying. The truth, however, is that there is a lot of repetition in the questions that are asked here and a simple search through the archives would answer many questions directly--keeping the list a bit cleaner and easier to follow, IMO. ;) - E - PS Nice work, btw! Thanks :-) Cheers, Marco __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Robert Cummings wrote: I think this is great but have one bit of hopefully constructive criticism... the horizontal real estate is too small, or the font is too large, I find the content wraps terribly :/ Cheers, Rob. Hi Rob-- True. Alas, it has to fit in our design, so one of the possibilities we're experimenting with is using either floating frames for the threading, or reducing the font size--the problem with the latter being that we *do* want people to be able to read the messages ;-) the user also has the ability to change the fonts. -- Ray -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Interesting thoughts... who would handle the separate list, though? Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Tabini wrote: The problem is that the results should be mailed to the list so that others could tell whether they satisfy the question, but I'm afraid that would become annoying. Perhaps a sister list could be setup to receive these messages. This would prevent the annoyance while still providing a central location for those interested to view responses. A bit of mail server wizardry (if you'd even call it that) can ensure that messages are delivered to all those participating in the thread. Edward Dudlik Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with the person doing it. wishy washy | www.amazon.com/o/registry/EGDXEBBWTYUU - Original Message - From: Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 11:59 Subject: Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives - Edwin - wrote: Sort of a PHP-AI eh? :) Hmm... I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but... I wonder how you'd deal with new messages/posts/questions which: 1. Real people don't even understand, and 2. Real posters don't even understand what they're asking. Well, that's, of course, a problem. In the best case scenario, the search engine will recognize the patterns and provide meaningful suggestions. In the worst case scenario, it won't return anything useful. Still, it might be worth a try. The system could send only the top ten search results. The problem is that the results should be mailed to the list so that others could tell whether they satisfy the question, but I'm afraid that would become annoying. The truth, however, is that there is a lot of repetition in the questions that are asked here and a simple search through the archives would answer many questions directly--keeping the list a bit cleaner and easier to follow, IMO. ;) - E - PS Nice work, btw! Thanks :-) Cheers, Marco __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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--- Marek Kilimajer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion would be to use iframe for the message. It would load much faster then. How would that make it load much faster? Surely not because it requires an additional HTTP transaction, increasing the load. I'm curious to know what you mean. The thread view needs to be moved, perhaps to that blank spot to the right of the orange line. That spot probably isn't intended to be blank, since I notice there are ads and such way down at the bottom, but that's how it renders in Galeon (Gecko). Chris = My Blog http://shiflett.org/ HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ RAMP Training Courses http://www.nyphp.org/ramp -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Chris Shiflett wrote: --- Marek Kilimajer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion would be to use iframe for the message. It would load much faster then. How would that make it load much faster? Surely not because it requires an additional HTTP transaction, increasing the load. I'm curious to know what you mean. The thread view needs to be moved, perhaps to that blank spot to the right of the orange line. That spot probably isn't intended to be blank, since I notice there are ads and such way down at the bottom, but that's how it renders in Galeon (Gecko). Chris Yes, you are right. I forgot that the thread view changes too. However DHTML could solve this ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Cool, this means that don't have to keep a directory of every post in this mailing list or the php-db mailing list in order to search through. -Original Message- From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:00 PM To: Marek Kilimajer; Marco Tabini Cc: PHP-General Subject: Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives --- Marek Kilimajer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion would be to use iframe for the message. It would load much faster then. How would that make it load much faster? Surely not because it requires an additional HTTP transaction, increasing the load. I'm curious to know what you mean. The thread view needs to be moved, perhaps to that blank spot to the right of the orange line. That spot probably isn't intended to be blank, since I notice there are ads and such way down at the bottom, but that's how it renders in Galeon (Gecko). Chris = My Blog http://shiflett.org/ HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ RAMP Training Courses http://www.nyphp.org/ramp -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Marco, et al - ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % Well, one of my original ideas was to have a process that would monitor % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with % possible answers based on the message's contents. I'm not sure that % would be a good idea, though :-) A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % Cheers, % Marco Thanks HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco, et al - ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % Well, one of my original ideas was to have a process that would monitor % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with % possible answers based on the message's contents. I'm not sure that % would be a good idea, though :-) A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then they could opt out of that.. Rick I regard as a mortal sin not only the lying of the senses in matters of love, but also the illusion which the senses seek to create where love is only partial. I say, I believe, that one must love with all of one's being, or else live, come what may, a life of complete chastity. - George Sand -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
