[PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
Hello, For those who are seeking for PHP jobs (small and big ones), I can recomment you the Website http://www.GetACoder.com/ I get, since several years, my jobs there, but I am currently overworked to use it... ;-) Most jobs are even payed using PayPal... which mean, you can even do the Job occasional privately withpout paying any fiscal tax... :-D Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
-Original Message- From: Michelle Konzack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:38 PM To: PHP - General Subject: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available Hello, For those who are seeking for PHP jobs (small and big ones), I can recomment you the Website http://www.GetACoder.com/ I get, since several years, my jobs there, but I am currently overworked to use it... ;-) Most jobs are even payed using PayPal... which mean, you can even do the Job occasional privately withpout paying any fiscal tax... :-D www.rentacoder.com www.scriptlance.com ...and probably a hundred others. I just find I'm often drastically outbid by someone from a developing 2nd-world nation that doesn't mind building and designing an entire corporate web application for $10 ($3 of which is generally taken by the crowd-sourcing site on which the transaction takes place). The thing is, though, that I'm sure a lot of those jobs go unfinished or are finished sloppily. When people stop caring so much about squeezing their dollar, and start to care about actually getting a good product from their seller/coder relationship, I might get back into it. Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
Boyd, Todd M. wrote: -Original Message- From: Michelle Konzack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:38 PM To: PHP - General Subject: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available Hello, For those who are seeking for PHP jobs (small and big ones), I can recomment you the Website http://www.GetACoder.com/ I get, since several years, my jobs there, but I am currently overworked to use it... ;-) Most jobs are even payed using PayPal... which mean, you can even do the Job occasional privately withpout paying any fiscal tax... :-D what a fantastic comment to attach to your full personal details and indeed company :D www.rentacoder.com www.scriptlance.com ...and probably a hundred others. I just find I'm often drastically outbid by someone from a developing 2nd-world nation that doesn't mind building and designing an entire corporate web application for $10 ($3 of which is generally taken by the crowd-sourcing site on which the transaction takes place). on that note; I found a lucrative little spot on scriptlance remaking/bug fixing the lower quality work for maybe not normal, but certainly decent, rates. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
At 9:36 AM -0500 10/10/08, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: www.rentacoder.com www.scriptlance.com ...and probably a hundred others. I just find I'm often drastically outbid by someone from a developing 2nd-world nation that doesn't mind building and designing an entire corporate web application for $10 ($3 of which is generally taken by the crowd-sourcing site on which the transaction takes place). The thing is, though, that I'm sure a lot of those jobs go unfinished or are finished sloppily. When people stop caring so much about squeezing their dollar, and start to care about actually getting a good product from their seller/coder relationship, I might get back into it. I had a paid account with guru.com and spent a full year answering proposals ( 100) -- I didn't get a single job. It was a complete waste of time for me, but I am sure it works for others. I just landed a client who had a very bad experience with rentacoder. So, it appears that the 2nd-world nation programming experience is providing some kick-back work for honest programmers. At least I receive more business from people who have had problems with cheap programming than those high-profile sites who sell cheap programming serves. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
When people stop caring so much about squeezing their dollar I don't see that happening any time soon... :-) -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
I had a free Guru.com account when I was working freelance and job hunting and all that, and I didn't bother submitting a single proposal because I could see how all the jobs went. People would submit a reasonable proposal and eventually it would get to the point where someone was bidding $1 to do the job. That was $1 plus $5,000 or something in additional work or some stupidity. I wasn't about to jump into a pit of idiots and compete in an obviously losing battle with unscrupulous bidders. Regardless of whether they were overseas or not, it's still a losing proposition for someone like me. Not only do you have to compete with unfair bidding practices and predatory sales people, but you have to fight the stigma of the innevitable crap jobs all these other guys may be doing and have to prove yourself above and beyond what you'd have to. Not to mention, if you DO get a proposal from someone who's been burnt before, there's a higher likelihood that they're going to put unreasonable demands on you, hoping to control the 'burn' the second time around. Blarg. Screw it. hah -TG - Original Message - From: tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:13:11 -0400 Subject: RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available At 9:36 AM -0500 10/10/08, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: www.rentacoder.com www.scriptlance.com ...and probably a hundred others. I just find I'm often drastically outbid by someone from a developing 2nd-world nation that doesn't mind building and designing an entire corporate web application for $10 ($3 of which is generally taken by the crowd-sourcing site on which the transaction takes place). The thing is, though, that I'm sure a lot of those jobs go unfinished or are finished sloppily. When people stop caring so much about squeezing their dollar, and start to care about actually getting a good product from their seller/coder relationship, I might get back into it. I had a paid account with guru.com and spent a full year answering proposals ( 100) -- I didn't get a single job. It was a complete waste of time for me, but I am sure it works for others. I just landed a client who had a very bad experience with rentacoder. So, it appears that the 2nd-world nation programming experience is providing some kick-back work for honest programmers. At least I receive more business from people who have had problems with cheap programming than those high-profile sites who sell cheap programming serves. Cheers, tedd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Heyes Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:15 AM To: Boyd, Todd M. Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available When people stop caring so much about squeezing their dollar I don't see that happening any time soon... :-) It always happens. At least... it always happens eventually in companies that stay in existence. Eventually, they figure out that it costs them more money to go back and fix crap-tastic code 4 or 5 times than it does to just pay well to code it right in the first place. Now, if I could just get hold of them AFTER they've decided to address the problem, and not just the symptoms of their floundering code... Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
Richard Heyes wrote: When people stop caring so much about squeezing their dollar I don't see that happening any time soon... :-) ahh but they'll be squeezing their amero's soon which incidentally sounds rather funny -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
At 11:46 AM -0400 10/10/08, TG wrote: I had a free Guru.com account when I was working freelance and job hunting and all that, and I didn't bother submitting a single proposal because I could see how all the jobs went. People would submit a reasonable proposal and eventually it would get to the point where someone was bidding $1 to do the job. That was $1 plus $5,000 or something in additional work or some stupidity. I had one guy respond to my bid and ask how much I charged. I replied $50 per hour. To which he said $50! I never paid more than $25 per hour -- will you work for that? I replied Sure, but it's going to take me twice as long to get anything done. I didn't get the job. Actually, if I really punched a time clock, I'm probably making around $25 per hour (or less) anyway. It's a good thing I love the work, but it's usually the clients who are the main problem. Too bad they often stand in the way of what they really want done. I had another respond to my bid. They wanted a way they could upload Word documents to a server and have them automagically become pdf files. I said, Why don't you just do it directly from Word? Poof -- I lost that contract. Another said that they wanted a way to upload pdf files and then inject input fields directly into the uploaded pdf file. I told them that's not an easy thing to do considering how PDF files are constructed. So I suggested creating an online form and generating pdf files on the fly. I even made a demo for them to use. But, the client said No, we need to be able use our existing pdf files. So, I researched the hell out of it some more and came to the conclusion that it would be very difficult and told them so. They answered Oh, don't worry about it, we already found someone who can do it. He showed us a way that we could use an online form and generate pdf files on the fly. Duh! Is everyone stupid or is it just me? :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:54 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is everyone stupid or is it just me? :-) No, you're not the only one. You're in good company. -- /Daniel P. Brown More full-root dedicated server packages: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Intel 2.4GHz/320/GB/1GB/3TB $74.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 14:54 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:46 AM -0400 10/10/08, TG wrote: I had a free Guru.com account when I was working freelance and job hunting and all that, and I didn't bother submitting a single proposal because I could see how all the jobs went. People would submit a reasonable proposal and eventually it would get to the point where someone was bidding $1 to do the job. That was $1 plus $5,000 or something in additional work or some stupidity. I had one guy respond to my bid and ask how much I charged. I replied $50 per hour. To which he said $50! I never paid more than $25 per hour -- will you work for that? I replied Sure, but it's going to take me twice as long to get anything done. I didn't get the job. Actually, if I really punched a time clock, I'm probably making around $25 per hour (or less) anyway. It's a good thing I love the work, but it's usually the clients who are the main problem. Too bad they often stand in the way of what they really want done. I had another respond to my bid. They wanted a way they could upload Word documents to a server and have them automagically become pdf files. I said, Why don't you just do it directly from Word? Poof -- I lost that contract. Another said that they wanted a way to upload pdf files and then inject input fields directly into the uploaded pdf file. I told them that's not an easy thing to do considering how PDF files are constructed. So I suggested creating an online form and generating pdf files on the fly. I even made a demo for them to use. But, the client said No, we need to be able use our existing pdf files. So, I researched the hell out of it some more and came to the conclusion that it would be very difficult and told them so. They answered Oh, don't worry about it, we already found someone who can do it. He showed us a way that we could use an online form and generate pdf files on the fly. Duh! Is everyone stupid or is it just me? :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com We've all been there. I put together a site at work, and despite my best efforts, the girl who is in-charge of adding content keeps making the same mistakes, like trying to upload a PDF in a field clearly marked CSV (and then wondering why it doesn't work) or adding a new article and wonder why it doesn't appear in date order if she doesn't specify a date (articles often get added at times other than they occur) or why when she uploads a 1024*768 BMP file, the site has trouble converting it, despite asking for a much smaller JPG file! All these problems are just on one site and with one woman. My whole base is like this! Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
At 12:38 AM +0100 10/11/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: All these problems are just on one site and with one woman. Ash I won't comment on that, other than say -- while they may all look different, there's really only one woman. It's an ant-like thing. :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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tedd wrote: At 12:38 AM +0100 10/11/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: All these problems are just on one site and with one woman. Ash I won't comment on that, other than say -- while they may all look different, there's really only one woman. It's an ant-like thing. :-) Cheers, tedd gets me to wondering just how many hours I've wasted in my career modifying systems to deal with what are clearly company/management/staffing issues; in-fact I dread to think so won't. *just doing me job* -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:54:19 -0400, tedd wrote: [...] Is everyone stupid or is it just me? :-) Yes. No. However, the software world is amazingly amenable to both propagating stupidity and allowing it to grow and foster further stupidity. Probably because when it all does finally collapse, there's nobody underneath to get flattened :) TDWTF likes to point out the difference between success in the real world and success in the software world: in the real world, it isn't a success just because the client paid for it, it actually has to stay up and working without constant patch-ups (on which basis, I'd guess the Leaning Tower of Pisa isn't really a success :) http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Could_Possibly_Be_Worse_Than_Failure_0x3f_.aspx If/when you recognise stupidity in your own actions, stupid tends to stop. If you never see the stupidity... :) -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia It's not the right time to be sober, Now that the idiots have taken over - NOFX -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Semi-OT] Tonns of jobs available
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tedd wrote: At 12:38 AM +0100 10/11/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: All these problems are just on one site and with one woman. Ash I won't comment on that, other than say -- while they may all look different, there's really only one woman. It's an ant-like thing. :-) Cheers, tedd gets me to wondering just how many hours I've wasted in my career modifying systems to deal with what are clearly company/management/staffing issues; in-fact I dread to think so won't. *just doing me job* -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php My favorite part is completing a program for review internally. Then the client sees it and requests custom changes for X employee who will be doing the data entry. Then X employee moves on and Y employee comes along. Then Y employee requests custom changes because it's wrong. ;) But hey, as long as we're getting paid, right? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
