RE: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
>... for me one of the most useful > thing in Zend is (CTRL+D X,C or Apple+D , X, C) which > duplicates copies and paste lines in Studio , switching to > Eclipse I just miss those shortcuts so I am always finding > myself going back to Z. Studio To duplicate the current line in Eclipse, just use Ctrl+Alt+Up Arrow. To see a list of Eclipse short-cuts, use Ctrl+Alt+L HTH, Edward -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RES: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
De: Bojan Tesanovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with Ray Eclipse has more extensibility than Z. Studio , but the question is do you need it, I preffer doing PHP coding in Studio, I learned a lot of shortcuts and doing coding is so much faster and less frustrating than doing it in Eclipse though et the end of the day it is up to you, in my ream 12 of us, 50% is using eclipse and 50% is using Zend (those one that are using Eclipse are PHP coders that know Java or C+ + so they feel more comfortable with Eclipse ... ) , I alos know Java and I am using Eclipse for that , for me one of the most useful thing in Zend is (CTRL+D X,C or Apple+D , X, C) which duplicates copies and paste lines in Studio , switching to Eclipse I just miss those shortcuts so I am always finding myself going back to Z. Studio On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Ray Hauge wrote: > Steve Finkelstein wrote: >> Hi all, >> I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information >> on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from >> 5.5.x just yet. >> Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all >> of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is >> complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with >> all of its features and remote debugging capabilities. >> Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet. >> We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a >> few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to >> try out the newer technologies. >> I'd love to hear some feedback. >> Thanks! >> /sf I've been trying it since Beta1. Beta1 was like Eclipse PDT (PHP Development Tools) + Zend products support. Beta2 fixed some very frustrating bugs but still left some around. On the QA release (aka Zend Studio for Eclipse 6.0) I did not see much difference and I'm still really disappointed they took this move instead of releasing another Beta (perhaps business area was pushing them). Most of their bugs are actually Eclipse ones, things like the shift+tab support has something to do with whitespaces and tabs for indents and I've no idea when it will be fixed. I've been using Neon (ZS4E) @ work and Zend Studio 5.5 @ home and I have to say, even Neon having a lot more resources than ZS5.5 it's still a bit messy and I'll be staying with 5.5 for a while. Yes, there are tons of good new stuff. But if you really intend to use many of those, you'll have to get used with "workarounds". What's nice about this is, a lot of the bugs they're finding and fixing, are going to original Eclipse project :) As said, give it a respectful try before making a choice. Once you get used to Eclipse's interface you rarely switch back (expect when you get annoyed with code editor bugs :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
Hi, I switched to phpEd some time ago and no I'm happy with the move. Nuno Mendes Ray Hauge wrote: Steve Finkelstein wrote: Hi all, I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from 5.5.x just yet. Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with all of its features and remote debugging capabilities. Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet. We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to try out the newer technologies. I'd love to hear some feedback. Thanks! /sf I've recently switched. On my machine (which hasn't been updated for a long time...) Eclipse runs a lot slower. I only have 1 GB of RAM. Zend Studio has been running faster for me after I turned off the SVN integration. I just use the CLI for SVN anyway. Sometimes in Eclipse it'll slow down so much that I have to slow down my typing. Mostly that's in CSS files. I don't know if it's Eclipse in general, but Shift+Tab rarely works, and it drives me nuts. I've tried to mess with the key bindings to no avail. Debugging is a lot slower in Eclipse. Some of the default key bindings in Zend Studio are different in Zend Eclipse as well, but that was somewhat expected and hasn't bothered me too much. I've been using the official Zend Eclipse now since the day it came out. Next week I'm going to switch back to regular Zend Studio. It was nicer on the RAM and for the most part "Just Worked"(TM). That's my experience. I'd be interested to hear other people's experiences. -- Dataworks, Lda R. Dr. Orlando de Oliveira, 30 1º - Sala D 3800-004 Aveiro Portugal http://www.dataworks.pt [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
I agree with Ray Eclipse has more extensibility than Z. Studio , but the question is do you need it, I preffer doing PHP coding in Studio, I learned a lot of shortcuts and doing coding is so much faster and less frustrating than doing it in Eclipse though et the end of the day it is up to you, in my ream 12 of us, 50% is using eclipse and 50% is using Zend (those one that are using Eclipse are PHP coders that know Java or C+ + so they feel more comfortable with Eclipse ... ) , I alos know Java and I am using Eclipse for that , for me one of the most useful thing in Zend is (CTRL+D X,C or Apple+D , X, C) which duplicates copies and paste lines in Studio , switching to Eclipse I just miss those shortcuts so I am always finding myself going back to Z. Studio On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Ray Hauge wrote: Steve Finkelstein wrote: Hi all, I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from 5.5.x just yet. Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with all of its features and remote debugging capabilities. Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet. We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to try out the newer technologies. I'd love to hear some feedback. Thanks! /sf I've recently switched. On my machine (which hasn't been updated for a long time...) Eclipse runs a lot slower. I only have 1 GB of RAM. Zend Studio has been running faster for me after I turned off the SVN integration. I just use the CLI for SVN anyway. Sometimes in Eclipse it'll slow down so much that I have to slow down my typing. Mostly that's in CSS files. I don't know if it's Eclipse in general, but Shift+Tab rarely works, and it drives me nuts. I've tried to mess with the key bindings to no avail. Debugging is a lot slower in Eclipse. Some of the default key bindings in Zend Studio are different in Zend Eclipse as well, but that was somewhat expected and hasn't bothered me too much. I've been using the official Zend Eclipse now since the day it came out. Next week I'm going to switch back to regular Zend Studio. It was nicer on the RAM and for the most part "Just Worked"(TM). That's my experience. I'd be interested to hear other people's experiences. -- Ray Hauge www.primateapplications.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Bojan Tesanovic http://www.classicio.com/
Re: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
Steve Finkelstein wrote: Hi all, I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from 5.5.x just yet. Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with all of its features and remote debugging capabilities. Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet. We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to try out the newer technologies. I'd love to hear some feedback. Thanks! /sf I've recently switched. On my machine (which hasn't been updated for a long time...) Eclipse runs a lot slower. I only have 1 GB of RAM. Zend Studio has been running faster for me after I turned off the SVN integration. I just use the CLI for SVN anyway. Sometimes in Eclipse it'll slow down so much that I have to slow down my typing. Mostly that's in CSS files. I don't know if it's Eclipse in general, but Shift+Tab rarely works, and it drives me nuts. I've tried to mess with the key bindings to no avail. Debugging is a lot slower in Eclipse. Some of the default key bindings in Zend Studio are different in Zend Eclipse as well, but that was somewhat expected and hasn't bothered me too much. I've been using the official Zend Eclipse now since the day it came out. Next week I'm going to switch back to regular Zend Studio. It was nicer on the RAM and for the most part "Just Worked"(TM). That's my experience. I'd be interested to hear other people's experiences. -- Ray Hauge www.primateapplications.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Finkelstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: php-general
> Subject: [PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information
> on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from
> 5.5.x just yet.
>
> Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all
> of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is
> complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with
> all of its features and remote debugging capabilities.
>
> Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet.
> We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a
> few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to
> try out the newer technologies.
>
> I'd love to hear some feedback.
>
> Thanks!
>
> /sf
I'm also interested on this. I've tested Zend Eclipse just a bit and it looks
promising, except for what we all know about Eclipse (and Zend) it eats all your
RAM like a critter.
I use Dreamweaver (yeah, don't laugh!) for the purely HTML related stuff
(however, almost never the design view), Topstyle for CSS and PHPDesigner for
PHP coding (if you usually use an MVC-like framework, you may know what I mean).
However, it's almost always only me involved in the process (maybe one more dev
and rarely three of us).
Eclipse sounds like a panacea because in theory you can even add code completion
for JavaScript and get the best out of JS coding when you use, say Prototype or
ExtJS. But, every time I tried Eclipse (whatever "flavor" you pick), I had a
hard time trying to get "what I want" out of it. I prefer simplicity and I'm
bound by a kind of Unix philosophy (get several programs, each one doing
"exactly what you want" and concatenate the outputs of each). But that's me and
that's me right NOW.
If I had to work with more than two people, I'd surely take the Eclipse learning
curve once and forever and I'd upgrade my hardware to tons of RAM if necessary.
In a team you need integration (that's what IDEs are good for), and I don't know
of another IDE that can provide you as many features for as many languages.
If I was in your shoes, I'd give Zend Eclipse a respectful try. Moreover, if you
are Mr-T in your office ("T" for technology), they will expect you to do so.
And... there's no textmate for Windows (is there any?) if you ever consider that
OS as a development platform, nor there is anything compared to Eclipse (at
least I didn't find something alike). And... Zend Studio is the past, Zend
Eclipse is the present and future (if you like Zend Products):
"We expect that for many customers an Eclipse based product will be preferable.
With all the functionality and extensibility of Eclipse, it simply provides
richer functionality than Zend could create on our own. However, by continuing
to support and maintain Zend Studio V5.5 we will let customers decide when to
migrate to the next generation product. Migration tools are provided to
streamline the adoption process." - http://www.zend.com/products/studio/studio55
Anyway, I don't have such an experience in team leadership for more than
two/three people (including myself in the group), so I can be wrong. I'd LOVE to
hear a "real voice", speaking about "real projects" and "real teams", where you
need a common environment to avoid development chaos. I would buy a book on the
subject if you can recommend one (but one about the "real thing" and not too
academically oriented).
Regards,
Rob
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[PHP] Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse?
Hi all, I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from 5.5.x just yet. Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with all of its features and remote debugging capabilities. Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet. We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to try out the newer technologies. I'd love to hear some feedback. Thanks! /sf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
