Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
"Jon Shoberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) > > In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic > web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic > content or gives those pages a lower ranking. Some do, some don't. > I can't see this as being true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages > returning well-formed/valid HTML. Well, some search engines see URLs with query strings at the end and assume the content is dynamic. And because a lot of dynamic content changes, indexing dynamic webpages can lead to search results listing webpages that no longer have the content that they did when they were indexed. As a result, searches on the search engine will be less effective and users may choose to use a different search engine. Anyone with dynamically generated content that remains pretty static that wants these pages to be indexed by search engines should make the webpages appear to be static. I wrote about this in another thread a couple of weeks ago. Here's the message: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&m=98618455619989&w=2. The sex offender registries, news, books, sites, polls, etc. at one of the sites I developed and administer are all dynamically generated using PHP and MySQL and the site makes use of Apache's AliasMatch directive which allows me to redirect most of the pages on the site to a single PHP file (I call it template_1.php) which uses regular expressions to parse a page's URL and include the proper content. If you want to see it in action take a look at http://www.sexcriminals.com/. -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
Google doesn't choke at all on dynamic pages. pages get ranked by keywords appearing on the page and even more importantly, the link text of links on other pages pointing to the page that's being indexed. in other words, if a lot of sites link to your page like so: google choke then a search for 'google choke' will put you at the top. save your time trying to get rid of ?'s and &'s and concentrate on promoting your site the normal way. On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:47:43 + (GMT), Philip Olson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Check out this article : > > Building Dynamic Pages With Search Engines in Mind : > > http://phpbuilder.com/columns/tim2526.php3 > >Also, mod_rewrite related "stuff" has been discussed : > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&s=mod_rewrite > >regards, >philip > >On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Jon Shoberg wrote: > >> >> So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT >>Industry :) >> >> In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he >>dislikes dynamic >> web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' >>on dynamic >> content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as >>being >> true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic >>pages >> returning well-formed/valid HTML. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> -- >> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list- >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Plutarck") wrote:
> Also be extremely careful about the use of and browser sniffing.
> So many sites do something classically stupid so that when someone sees
> their site in a search engine, the description is "Your browser does not
> support frames. Your browser must support frames to view this site."...I
> just want to slap the webmaster every time I see that.
I've been working on a mini-spider project that's been quite an eye-opener
about another slap-worthy practice: an appalling number of splash pages
consisting of nothing but a graphic (no alt tags, no title tag, no metas)
and an "enter" link that must fetch its href from a javascript function.
And these are sites that do want to be indexed!
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Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
Check out this article : Building Dynamic Pages With Search Engines in Mind : http://phpbuilder.com/columns/tim2526.php3 Also, mod_rewrite related "stuff" has been discussed : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&s=mod_rewrite regards, philip On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Jon Shoberg wrote: > > So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) > > In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic > web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic > content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as being > true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages > returning well-formed/valid HTML. > > Any thoughts? > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
Getting listed in search engines really is important. But in the vein of what you were talking about, people shouldn't really "worry" about it. Note: Getting listed in directories like Yahoo is way more important than having any search engine list you. You always receive a far more targeted user with places like Yahoo, because they really do want to see what you have to say. Back on topic, the only search engines worth bothering with can handle dynamic pages just fine. There is _no_ difference in a static html page and a dynmically created one. However, be _very_ careful with sessions. Sessions can force a query string onto the end of every page on your first page, causing the spider to be unable to visit any other page in your site! Also be extremely careful about the use of and browser sniffing. So many sites do something classically stupid so that when someone sees their site in a search engine, the description is "Your browser does not support frames. Your browser must support frames to view this site."...I just want to slap the webmaster every time I see that. In short, on your index page (which is what you want bookmarked the most) do not have links with query strings in them, do not use redirects, do not use frames (period. if you want to use them everywhere else on the site that's ok, but don't do it on the main page!), do not use session_start(), and do not complain if the user has disabled javascript- if you want your site to be well listed in search engines. With all that taken into effect, I can see why the person you were talking to disliked dynamic sites. But if the webmaster knows the rules of the search engines, dynamic sites work just perfectly. -- Plutarck Should be working on something... ...but forgot what it was. "Michael Kimsal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Jon Shoberg wrote: > > > So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) > > > > In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic > > web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic > > content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as being > > true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages > > returning well-formed/valid HTML. > > > > Any thoughts? > > Each spider is different, and they've changed over time. Often they don't > index a page that has a ? in it - they definitely won't be able to follow > form input tags and such - the possibilities for input are limitless. > > Some can follow > blah.com/index.php?alh=fff > > and links of that nature. If you've got redirects in there,tho, they'll often > choke on those. > > Apache has an advantage over IIS because you can normally > pass in parameters in the $PATH_INFO area - > http://www.blah.com/index.php/blag/222/dsfsd/dlkjsdf > calls the index.php with /blag/222/dsfsd/dlkjsdf as parameters you can grab in > your > script. IIS doesn't allow for this. :( (not natively anyway) > > Some search engines wouldn't FOLLOW a ? in a link, > but will accept one as a 'submitted page' to index if you submit it manually. > > Again, all of this information is necessarily vague. What works one year > doesn't work the next. > > This was all info and experienced gleaned while building keywordcount.com a few > years > ago - the whole landscape has changed, and getting 'indexed' by search engines > is nice, > but imo can be a big waste of time and money given that there are many factors > beyond your control entirely. SEOs will bash me upside the head for that one, > but it's been my experiences over the past couple years. :) > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
Jon Shoberg wrote: > So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) > > In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic > web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic > content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as being > true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages > returning well-formed/valid HTML. > > Any thoughts? Each spider is different, and they've changed over time. Often they don't index a page that has a ? in it - they definitely won't be able to follow form input tags and such - the possibilities for input are limitless. Some can follow blah.com/index.php?alh=fff and links of that nature. If you've got redirects in there,tho, they'll often choke on those. Apache has an advantage over IIS because you can normally pass in parameters in the $PATH_INFO area - http://www.blah.com/index.php/blag/222/dsfsd/dlkjsdf calls the index.php with /blag/222/dsfsd/dlkjsdf as parameters you can grab in your script. IIS doesn't allow for this. :( (not natively anyway) Some search engines wouldn't FOLLOW a ? in a link, but will accept one as a 'submitted page' to index if you submit it manually. Again, all of this information is necessarily vague. What works one year doesn't work the next. This was all info and experienced gleaned while building keywordcount.com a few years ago - the whole landscape has changed, and getting 'indexed' by search engines is nice, but imo can be a big waste of time and money given that there are many factors beyond your control entirely. SEOs will bash me upside the head for that one, but it's been my experiences over the past couple years. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
I'm not an expert in this, but I suspect that some search engines will probably ignore URL's that look like this: /path/to/dynamic.php?arg=1&foo=bar because it sees the ? and knows that it's a dynamic result and perhaps very likely to change. I had always assumed that's why many sites (such as amazon) use urls like this instead: /path/to/dynamic.php/arg/1/foo/bar which don't have the ? so perhaps the engine does cache it? just my 2 cents. -philip In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) > >In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic >web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic >content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as being >true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages >returning well-formed/valid HTML. > >Any thoughts? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
I too would be interested in learning what others on this list might have to say about this. Knowing how a search engine such as Google indexes a site or a page might be a good starting point in answering this debate: dynamic vs. static. Jeff So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as being true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages returning well-formed/valid HTML. Any thoughts? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] Dynamic Pages and Google ???
So I was having a conversation with a manager/educator in the IT Industry :) In a discussion concerning search engines he stated how he dislikes dynamic web pages (PHP/ASP/JSP/CFM) because search engine spiders 'choke' on dynamic content or gives those pages a lower ranking. I can't see this as being true. I epically can't see the search spider "choking" on dynamic pages returning well-formed/valid HTML. Any thoughts? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
