Re: [PHP] How do I convert from perl to php? - Reality Check Taxation
Ok,
Let's concentrate on acceptable syntaxes for your html programmers to specify the
required fields
first. Here are some options grouped by technique and roughly put into order of
increasing
difficulty for an html author:
HTML
1. INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=required VALUE=name address phone
PHP FUNCTION
2. required(name,phone,address);
3. required($name,$phone,$address);
PHP ASSIGNMENT
--
4. $required = 'name address phone';
5. $required = 'name,address,phone';
6. $required = array($name,$address,$phone);
COMPLETE INLINE PHP CODE
7. Rasmums solution (slightly modified):
if (!(1==1
isset($name)
isset($address)
isset($phone)
)){print 'You left one empty.';}
It's really up to you to say which of these is most acceptable to your html guys. The
order also
roughly corresponds to decreasing amounts of php code and support required.
Here's the supporting code for each:
1. INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=required VALUE=name address phone
---
foreach(explode(' ',$required)) as $field)
{
if (${$field) == '')
{
print 'You left one empty.';
break;
}
}
2. required(name,phone,address);
function required()
{
foreach(func_get_args() as $field)
{
global ${$field};
if (${$field} == '')
{
print 'You left one empty.';
return;
}
}
}
3. required($name,$phone,$address);
---
function required()
{
foreach(func_get_args() as $field)
{
if ($field == '')
{
print 'You left one empty.';
return;
}
}
}
4. $required = 'name address phone';
foreach(explode(' ',$required) as $field)
{
if (${$field} == '')
{
print 'You left one empty.';
break;
}
}
5. $required = 'name,address,phone';
foreach(explode(',',$required) as $field)
{
if (${$field} == '')
{
print 'You left one empty.';
break;
}
}
6. $required = array($name $address $phone);
foreach(explode(' ',$required) as $field)
{
if (${$field} == '')
{
print 'You left one empty.';
return;
}
}
7. Rasmus Solution
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Already complete!
The closest to your original is 4., and it is pretty close. However, if your html
guys are really
so allergic to code I would have thought that 1. would suit them best. The great
benefit of 7., is
that your html guys would learn something useful that they could apply elsewhere
rather than a
special rule on where to put required fields when they're working with you on a
particular kind of
job.
For the record I typically have a completely different approach to the whole problem
i.e.
A. I would have field-specific (onChange) and form-wide (onSubmit) Javascript
validation on the form
page itself as a courtesy to the browser users and to save them unnecessary page loads.
B. In the php, the checks would be repeated explicitly for users without Javascript or
non-browser
users and would include an unique identifier so that the form could be intelligently
driven remotely
by another application e.g.
if ($name == '')
{
$errormessage .= error:myform:0100 name is a required field.br;
}
if ($address == '')
if ($errormessage != '')
{
print 'Please correct the following errors -br'.$errormessage;
etc.
C. The data would almost certainly have ended up in a database even if it is being
mailed on or
whatever. So the question of non-programming html designers adding required fields
would not arise.
I can't think of much data that I might trouble a user to enter that isn't worth
explicitly storing.
But then I guess we work on different kinds of applications. It sounds like you can't
afford more
than a couple of minutes per form while I have the luxury of half an hour or so.
Good luck,
George
Brandon Lamb wrote:
The point of keeping it easier is what if i want to give my script to a
friend, do you REALLY want to explain to a non-programmer how to add another
if statement or condition when they could simply add the field to the array?
And actually you only have to change the name in 2 places.
1. you define the variable as an input from a form
2. in the required fields array
- Original Message -
From: George Whiffen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] How do I convert from perl to php? - Reality Check
Taxation
So I would have to write a seperate if condition for each form input field
i wanted to require? that doesn't make for a very dynamic script...
if(!(isset($name) isset($address) isset($phone)) {
echo You left one empty.;
}
Reality Check
Re: [PHP] How do I convert from perl to php? - Reality Check Taxation
So I would have to write a seperate if condition for each form input field i wanted
to require? that doesn't make for a very dynamic script...
if(!(isset($name) isset($address) isset($phone)) {
echo You left one empty.;
}
Reality Check: We write code to solve real world problems!
The parts of our code which are essential to the describe the real world problem we
want solved are
essential. All the rest of our code is an unfortunate tax on the rest of the world.
The code can
be as complex, dynamic, interesting or clever as it likes, it's still tax! Very
dynamic scripts
have to be JUSTIFIED, they are not, repeat not, intrinsically good!
In this case, the essential elements are the names of the fields required and the
message to be sent
if they are not present i.e. the following 38 characters
name address phone You left one empty.
Rasmus code consists of 92 characters i.e. 44 extra characters or around 110% tax.
Does that sound
a lot? Your original perl had 192 characters i.e. over 400% tax.
What about maintainability/reusability? Lets look at the tax element of some likely
changes:
1. Change in the name of one of the required fields e.g. name should now be lastname
Rasmus : 0% TAX: (You change name to lastname once)
Perl : 200% TAX: (You change name to lastname in 3 places)
2. Remove one of the fields from the required list
Rasmus : 12 characters TAX (You have to remove isset($) as well as the field
name itself)
Perl : 13 characters + 200% TAX (You must remove $ = param($);\n and the field name
3 times)
3. Add a new field
As per 2. above.
4. Modify the conditions for the error message e.g. change to name and either address
or phone
required
Rasmus : 4 characters TAX (change to or and add two brackets) i.e.
if(!(isset($name) (isset($address) or isset($phone)) {
Perl : Rewrite requiredunknown cost!
Well, I hope that resolves the question of which is the more world-friendly code (i.e.
more tax
efficient).
Personally, and all views on simplicity, elegance and beauty of code are subjective, I
also find
Rasums php version much simpler and easier to understand. It involves far fewer
commands and is
therefore much more accessible to the novice programmer. It has much less extraneous
structure and
is clearly focussed on the task in hand. It can very easily be extended and modified
to provide
richer functionality. What more do we want? (Well personally, I'd rather he used
and instead of
and not instead of ! and put the separate conditions on separate lines and
generally had
more white space ;).
George
P.S. Is this a characteristic example of the difference beteeen Perl and PHP or an
extreme
example? Is Perl really so geeky in style and application? Or am I just too
stupid, stubborn,
ignorant to see that Perl is better than php?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I would have to write a seperate if condition for each form input field i wanted
to require? that doesn't make for a very dynamic script...
if(!(isset($name) isset($address) isset($phone)) {
echo You left one empty.;
}
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am a perl user trying to convert to php
how would i turn this perl into php?
use CGI;
$name = param(name);
$address = param(address);
$phone = param(phone);
@required = qw( name address phone );
foreach $key($required)
{
if (!$$key) { out(You left one empty.); }
}
??
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Re: [PHP] How do I convert from perl to php? - Reality Check Taxation
The point of keeping it easier is what if i want to give my script to a
friend, do you REALLY want to explain to a non-programmer how to add another
if statement or condition when they could simply add the field to the array?
And actually you only have to change the name in 2 places.
1. you define the variable as an input from a form
2. in the required fields array
- Original Message -
From: George Whiffen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] How do I convert from perl to php? - Reality Check
Taxation
So I would have to write a seperate if condition for each form input field
i wanted to require? that doesn't make for a very dynamic script...
if(!(isset($name) isset($address) isset($phone)) {
echo You left one empty.;
}
Reality Check: We write code to solve real world problems!
The parts of our code which are essential to the describe the real world
problem we want solved are
essential. All the rest of our code is an unfortunate tax on the rest of
the world. The code can
be as complex, dynamic, interesting or clever as it likes, it's still tax!
Very dynamic scripts
have to be JUSTIFIED, they are not, repeat not, intrinsically good!
In this case, the essential elements are the names of the fields required
and the message to be sent
if they are not present i.e. the following 38 characters
name address phone You left one empty.
Rasmus code consists of 92 characters i.e. 44 extra characters or around
110% tax. Does that sound
a lot? Your original perl had 192 characters i.e. over 400% tax.
What about maintainability/reusability? Lets look at the tax element of
some likely changes:
1. Change in the name of one of the required fields e.g. name should now be
lastname
Rasmus : 0% TAX: (You change name to lastname once)
Perl : 200% TAX: (You change name to lastname in 3 places)
2. Remove one of the fields from the required list
Rasmus : 12 characters TAX (You have to remove isset($) as well as the
field name itself)
Perl : 13 characters + 200% TAX (You must remove $ = param($);\n and the
field name 3 times)
3. Add a new field
As per 2. above.
4. Modify the conditions for the error message e.g. change to name and
either address or phone
required
Rasmus : 4 characters TAX (change to or and add two brackets) i.e.
if(!(isset($name) (isset($address) or isset($phone)) {
Perl : Rewrite requiredunknown cost!
Well, I hope that resolves the question of which is the more world-friendly
code (i.e. more tax
efficient).
Personally, and all views on simplicity, elegance and beauty of code are
subjective, I also find
Rasums php version much simpler and easier to understand. It involves far
fewer commands and is
therefore much more accessible to the novice programmer. It has much less
extraneous structure and
is clearly focussed on the task in hand. It can very easily be extended and
modified to provide
richer functionality. What more do we want? (Well personally, I'd rather he
used and instead of
and not instead of ! and put the separate conditions on separate
lines and generally had
more white space ;).
George
P.S. Is this a characteristic example of the difference beteeen Perl and
PHP or an extreme
example? Is Perl really so geeky in style and application? Or am I just
too stupid, stubborn,
ignorant to see that Perl is better than php?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I would have to write a seperate if condition for each form input field
i wanted to require? that doesn't make for a very dynamic script...
if(!(isset($name) isset($address) isset($phone)) {
echo You left one empty.;
}
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am a perl user trying to convert to php
how would i turn this perl into php?
use CGI;
$name = param(name);
$address = param(address);
$phone = param(phone);
@required = qw( name address phone );
foreach $key($required)
{
if (!$$key) { out(You left one empty.); }
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