Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Ross McKay ro...@zeta.org.au wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:44:48 -0500, Frank Stanovcak wrote: I've been a microshaft punk for some time now, and am just getting ready to try to step over to unix on one of my own boxes. Does anyone have any suggestions on which flavor would be a good idea to start with? I'm looking mostly for compatibility with php, mysql, and other web based programming languages. What Nathan said, test each candidate in a VM like VirtualBox to see which you might be comfortable in. Then pick Fedora :) Seriously, any of the major distros (or their derivatives) would be good, as they take care of the build dependencies for you via packaging systems. Check them out here: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major Picking a desktop is harder, especially coming from a Windows world. Linux has a great many desktops, each with advantages and disadvantages. Many distros allow you to easily switch between at least KDE and GNOME, maybe even XFCE. A tiny distro called DSL-N (damned small linux NOT) allows you to boot up in several of the lighter desktops to check them out. Realise that you can pick a GNOME or KDE desktop and still run apps made to suit one of the others, with maybe just some minor integration glitches; I run GNOME and use a number of KDE programs just fine. You should also check out editors and IDEs - STFW for previous posts made to this and other groups. Then pick Geany ;) And don't forget to add a revision control system, e.g. Subversion. -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn - The Wee Book of Calvin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I've tried Fedora Suse before. Fedora was a pain for me because it didn't auto mount my windows partition. It also did not come with any easy way to do so or to play media. I know Ubuntu doesn't come with the ability to play mp3's out of the box, but it was quite easier to get going. But my experience has been anything but Ubuntu gave me a lot of fight, and that isn't what I need when I'm supposed to be working. ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 17:33 -0600, Skip Evans wrote: Ross McKay wrote: You should also check out editors and IDEs - STFW for previous posts made to this and other groups. Then pick Geany ;) Hey Ross all, I used Kate on Ubuntu for a code editor. I just read through a bit about Geany (was not familiar with it), but don't see too much more it would do for me than Kate. What are some of your favorite features of Geany I should be aware of? -- === Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin Street Madison, Wisconsin 53703 608.250.2720 http://bigskypenguin.com I love Kate (the editor that is ;) ) I use it for editing everything from PHP and HTML, to C++ and C#. It's a damn good editor, and the bonus of the plugins is particularly useful too. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
Frank Stanovcak wrote: I've been a microshaft punk for some time now, and am just getting ready to try to step over to unix on one of my own boxes. Does anyone have any suggestions on which flavor would be a good idea to start with? I'm looking mostly for compatibility with php, mysql, and other web based programming languages. Thanks in advance! Frank Yup start with virtual box machines and try a few; simply install http://www.virtualbox.org/ on your windows system then install a few different breeds of linux, get used to them then pick :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:44:48 -0500, Frank Stanovcak wrote: I've been a microshaft punk for some time now, and am just getting ready to try to step over to unix on one of my own boxes. Does anyone have any suggestions on which flavor would be a good idea to start with? I'm looking mostly for compatibility with php, mysql, and other web based programming languages. What Nathan said, test each candidate in a VM like VirtualBox to see which you might be comfortable in. Then pick Fedora :) Seriously, any of the major distros (or their derivatives) would be good, as they take care of the build dependencies for you via packaging systems. Check them out here: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major Picking a desktop is harder, especially coming from a Windows world. Linux has a great many desktops, each with advantages and disadvantages. Many distros allow you to easily switch between at least KDE and GNOME, maybe even XFCE. A tiny distro called DSL-N (damned small linux NOT) allows you to boot up in several of the lighter desktops to check them out. Realise that you can pick a GNOME or KDE desktop and still run apps made to suit one of the others, with maybe just some minor integration glitches; I run GNOME and use a number of KDE programs just fine. You should also check out editors and IDEs - STFW for previous posts made to this and other groups. Then pick Geany ;) And don't forget to add a revision control system, e.g. Subversion. -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn - The Wee Book of Calvin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
Ross McKay wrote: You should also check out editors and IDEs - STFW for previous posts made to this and other groups. Then pick Geany ;) Hey Ross all, I used Kate on Ubuntu for a code editor. I just read through a bit about Geany (was not familiar with it), but don't see too much more it would do for me than Kate. What are some of your favorite features of Geany I should be aware of? -- === Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin Street Madison, Wisconsin 53703 608.250.2720 http://bigskypenguin.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
I don't know about Geany, but you should definitely check out: PDT/Eclipse Zend Studio for Eclipse - my favorite Komodo Edit 5 Kate for PHP development? That sounds really slow and inefficient. Eclipse and Zend studio offer such efficiencies as code completion/hints (PHP core or any other included classes/files), code explorer views/trees, SVN/CVS support, debugging...very capable IDEs. Zend costs $$, Eclipse/PDT is free. John Corry On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Skip Evans s...@bigskypenguin.com wrote: Ross McKay wrote: You should also check out editors and IDEs - STFW for previous posts made to this and other groups. Then pick Geany ;) Hey Ross all, I used Kate on Ubuntu for a code editor. I just read through a bit about Geany (was not familiar with it), but don't see too much more it would do for me than Kate. What are some of your favorite features of Geany I should be aware of? -- === Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin Street Madison, Wisconsin 53703 608.250.2720 http://bigskypenguin.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
John Corry wrote: I don't know about Geany, but you should definitely check out: PDT/Eclipse ^^my fav, but only when coupled with RSE (remote system explorer), php debugger for eclipse and subversive svn Zend Studio for Eclipse - my favorite ^^ I liked but was a memory hog on my windows machines and a bit unstable (for me) + I use eclipse for java so stick to one! Komodo Edit 5 ^^ not tried so can't comment Kate for PHP development? That sounds really slow and inefficient. Eclipse and Zend studio offer such efficiencies as code completion/hints (PHP core or any other included classes/files), code explorer views/trees, SVN/CVS support, debugging...very capable IDEs. Zend costs $$, Eclipse/PDT is free. v weighty points -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
Skip Evans wrote: I used Kate on Ubuntu for a code editor. I just read through a bit about Geany (was not familiar with it), but don't see too much more it would do for me than Kate. What are some of your favorite features of Geany I should be aware of? There's probably not much that Geany does that Kate doesn't, to be frank (other than run on Windows too). OTOH, there are many things that Kate does that Geany doesn't. However, being built on GTK, Geany is a little quicker, especially now that Kate's gone all KDE4. Certainly, when I was running on a P-III @ 666MHz, Kate was frustratingly sluggish while Geany was very quick and responsive. Thinking about it now, that's probably why I picked Geany over the other options at the time. John Corry wrote: Kate for PHP development? That sounds really slow and inefficient. Eclipse and Zend studio offer such efficiencies as code completion/hints (PHP core or any other included classes/files), code explorer views/trees, SVN/CVS support, debugging...very capable IDEs. Geany has basic code completion hints for built-in functions, and file-by-file code explorer views but not a project-wide code explorer. For me, feature-rich IDEs mean more stuff I need to remember and fight with, and that's a problem these daze. I do a fair bit from the shell, including most SVN ops. Small and fast, with snippets, and regex search and replace, is pretty much all I need. Except when debugging (for which I've been using NetBeans). Hmmm... must do something about that some day. -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn - The Wee Book of Calvin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: First steps towards unix and php
On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Ross McKay ro...@zeta.org.au wrote: Skip Evans wrote: I used Kate on Ubuntu for a code editor. I just read through a bit about Geany (was not familiar with it), but don't see too much more it would do for me than Kate. What are some of your favorite features of Geany I should be aware of? There's probably not much that Geany does that Kate doesn't, to be frank (other than run on Windows too). OTOH, there are many things that Kate does that Geany doesn't. However, being built on GTK, Geany is a little quicker, especially now that Kate's gone all KDE4. Certainly, when I was running on a P-III @ 666MHz, Kate was frustratingly sluggish while Geany was very quick and responsive. Thinking about it now, that's probably why I picked Geany over the other options at the time. John Corry wrote: Kate for PHP development? That sounds really slow and inefficient. Eclipse and Zend studio offer such efficiencies as code completion/hints (PHP core or any other included classes/files), code explorer views/trees, SVN/CVS support, debugging...very capable IDEs. Geany has basic code completion hints for built-in functions, and file-by-file code explorer views but not a project-wide code explorer. For me, feature-rich IDEs mean more stuff I need to remember and fight with, and that's a problem these daze. I do a fair bit from the shell, including most SVN ops. Small and fast, with snippets, and regex search and replace, is pretty much all I need. Except when debugging (for which I've been using NetBeans). Hmmm... must do something about that some day. -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn - The Wee Book of Calvin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php If it helps you any, we use geany at the place I work for all of our major framework development and I love it. It's lightweight, and isn't bloated with crap you'll never use. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
