Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-27 Thread Tijnema
On 7/27/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, July 27, 2007 7:35 am, Tijnema wrote:
> > It's quite logical that it is done this way, if you understand how a
> > mailing lists works ;)
> >
> > When you send a email to the mailing list, you send it without [PHP],
> > and so Gmail thinks that's the message title. Once it arrives at the
> > mailing list server, the server adds [PHP] in front of the title, and
> > sends it to all subscribed members. All members that receive this
> > message, get the message with [PHP] in front. Now when somebody
> > replies to the list, the title will be something like Re: [PHP] Title.
> > Now when gmail detects that this message still belongs to the same
> > thread, it adds the message, and keeps the original title. Which is
> > Title for the OP, and [PHP] Title for all other users.
>
> Then when a gmail user Cc:s me, I get a bunch of stuff in my Inbox
> WITHOUT the [PHP] and WITHOUT the list headers, so it doesn't get
> sorted properly into the PHP-General folder in my client. :-( :-( :-(


That's a problem of the list, this list requires users to press the
"Reply to all" button, or manually add the php list in the To or CC
box. I'm on a few other lists where a simple press on the "Reply"
button sends the message to the list, and not CCing anyone. (Reply-To
header is set to the list address)

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-27 Thread Richard Lynch
On Fri, July 27, 2007 7:35 am, Tijnema wrote:
> It's quite logical that it is done this way, if you understand how a
> mailing lists works ;)
>
> When you send a email to the mailing list, you send it without [PHP],
> and so Gmail thinks that's the message title. Once it arrives at the
> mailing list server, the server adds [PHP] in front of the title, and
> sends it to all subscribed members. All members that receive this
> message, get the message with [PHP] in front. Now when somebody
> replies to the list, the title will be something like Re: [PHP] Title.
> Now when gmail detects that this message still belongs to the same
> thread, it adds the message, and keeps the original title. Which is
> Title for the OP, and [PHP] Title for all other users.

Then when a gmail user Cc:s me, I get a bunch of stuff in my Inbox
WITHOUT the [PHP] and WITHOUT the list headers, so it doesn't get
sorted properly into the PHP-General folder in my client. :-( :-( :-(

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-27 Thread Tijnema
On 7/27/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, July 26, 2007 8:47 am, Daniel Brown wrote:
> > On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  or am I going retarded again?
> >
> >
> > This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't showing
> > me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps because I'm
> > the OP.
>
> I dunno what they are thinking to rip out the [PHP] whether it's on
> threads you started or not.
>
> Do they expect that you actually remember something you typed
> yesterday as a thread you started?
>
> Sheesh!
>
> Nobody does that.
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> Okay, so maybe that's just me.
> :-)
>

It's quite logical that it is done this way, if you understand how a
mailing lists works ;)

When you send a email to the mailing list, you send it without [PHP],
and so Gmail thinks that's the message title. Once it arrives at the
mailing list server, the server adds [PHP] in front of the title, and
sends it to all subscribed members. All members that receive this
message, get the message with [PHP] in front. Now when somebody
replies to the list, the title will be something like Re: [PHP] Title.
Now when gmail detects that this message still belongs to the same
thread, it adds the message, and keeps the original title. Which is
Title for the OP, and [PHP] Title for all other users.

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Richard Lynch
On Thu, July 26, 2007 8:47 am, Daniel Brown wrote:
> On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  or am I going retarded again?
>
>
> This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't showing
> me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps because I'm
> the OP.

I dunno what they are thinking to rip out the [PHP] whether it's on
threads you started or not.

Do they expect that you actually remember something you typed
yesterday as a thread you started?

Sheesh!

Nobody does that.

.
.
.

Okay, so maybe that's just me.
:-)

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RE: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Ford, Mike
On 26 July 2007 16:10, M. Sokolewicz wrote:

> Daniel Brown wrote:
> > On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  or am I going retarded again?
> > 
> > 
> >This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't
> > showing me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps
> > because I'm the OP. 
> > 
> >/me shrugs.
> > 
> 
> It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50%
> don't. For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has
> it in between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books
> doesn't, etc.

What are you talking about??? That has to be an artifice of Gmail (and other 
clients?) -- every single message I've seen in every one of those topics has 
the [PHP] marker, just not always in exactly the same place:

   [PHP] About DOM function in PHP
   Re: [PHP] About DOM function in PHP
   [PHP] Re: About DOM function in PHP
   Re: [PHP] Re: About DOM function in PHP

   [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
   Re: [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
   [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
   Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
   [PHP] Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online?
   Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online?
   Re[2]: [PHP]  Re: Pirate PHP books online?
   Re: Re[2]: [PHP]  Re: Pirate PHP books online?

I think I can kinda see a logic in there to do with a combination of smart and 
dumb email clients, and when the PHP list server adds a [PHP] marker, but I 
leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what it is... ;)

Bottom line, the [PHP] marker *is* there on every message, and if you're not 
seeing it it's 'cos your client is (for whatever reason) stripping it.

Cheers!

Mike

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Daniel Brown

   Yeah, that's what I narrowed it down to as well.  Must be a Gmail thing.

On 7/26/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 7/26/07, Ford, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 26 July 2007 16:10, M. Sokolewicz wrote:
>
> > Daniel Brown wrote:
> > > On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >  or am I going retarded again?
> > >
> > >
> > >This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't
> > > showing me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps
> > > because I'm the OP.
> > >
> > >/me shrugs.
> > >
> >
> > It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50%
> > don't. For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has
> > it in between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books
> > doesn't, etc.
>
> What are you talking about??? That has to be an artifice of Gmail (and other 
clients?) -- every single message I've seen in every one of those topics has the 
[PHP] marker, just not always in exactly the same place:
>
>   [PHP] About DOM function in PHP
>   Re: [PHP] About DOM function in PHP
>   [PHP] Re: About DOM function in PHP
>   Re: [PHP] Re: About DOM function in PHP
>
>   [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
>   Re: [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
>   [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
>   Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
>   [PHP] Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online?
>   Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online?
>   Re[2]: [PHP]  Re: Pirate PHP books online?
>   Re: Re[2]: [PHP]  Re: Pirate PHP books online?
>
> I think I can kinda see a logic in there to do with a combination of smart 
and dumb email clients, and when the PHP list server adds a [PHP] marker, but I 
leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what it is... ;)
>
> Bottom line, the [PHP] marker *is* there on every message, and if you're not 
seeing it it's 'cos your client is (for whatever reason) stripping it.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>

The only threads were [PHP] is missing for me are the threads that I started.
All others start with [PHP] or Re: [PHP]

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Tijnema

On 7/26/07, Ford, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 26 July 2007 16:10, M. Sokolewicz wrote:

> Daniel Brown wrote:
> > On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  or am I going retarded again?
> >
> >
> >This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't
> > showing me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps
> > because I'm the OP.
> >
> >/me shrugs.
> >
>
> It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50%
> don't. For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has
> it in between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books
> doesn't, etc.

What are you talking about??? That has to be an artifice of Gmail (and other 
clients?) -- every single message I've seen in every one of those topics has 
the [PHP] marker, just not always in exactly the same place:

  [PHP] About DOM function in PHP
  Re: [PHP] About DOM function in PHP
  [PHP] Re: About DOM function in PHP
  Re: [PHP] Re: About DOM function in PHP

  [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
  Re: [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
  [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
  Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
  [PHP] Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online?
  Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online?
  Re[2]: [PHP]  Re: Pirate PHP books online?
  Re: Re[2]: [PHP]  Re: Pirate PHP books online?

I think I can kinda see a logic in there to do with a combination of smart and 
dumb email clients, and when the PHP list server adds a [PHP] marker, but I 
leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what it is... ;)

Bottom line, the [PHP] marker *is* there on every message, and if you're not 
seeing it it's 'cos your client is (for whatever reason) stripping it.

Cheers!

Mike



The only threads were [PHP] is missing for me are the threads that I started.
All others start with [PHP] or Re: [PHP]

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Daniel Brown

On 7/26/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 16:24 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> M. Sokolewicz wrote:
> > It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50% don't.
> > For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has it in
> > between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books doesn't, etc.
>
> I don't get them on any of my messages but then I read them all via nntp
> and Gmane.org

I get it in every message... must be a mail client thingy.

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   That's what I'm guessing.

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[PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
M. Sokolewicz wrote:
> It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50% don't.
> For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has it in
> between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books doesn't, etc.

I don't get them on any of my messages but then I read them all via nntp
and Gmane.org

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[PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
Daniel Brown wrote:
> On 7/26/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 16:24 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> > I don't get them on any of my messages but then I read them all via
>> nntp
>> > and Gmane.org
>>
>> I get it in every message... must be a mail client thingy.
> 
>That's what I'm guessing.
> 

See, marking a thread as OT is no barrier to taking it OT from the OT!!

I love this list :p

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 16:24 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> M. Sokolewicz wrote:
> > It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50% don't.
> > For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has it in
> > between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books doesn't, etc.
> 
> I don't get them on any of my messages but then I read them all via nntp
> and Gmane.org

I get it in every message... must be a mail client thingy.

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread M. Sokolewicz

Daniel Brown wrote:

On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 or am I going retarded again?



   This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't showing
me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps because I'm
the OP.

   /me shrugs.



It's not the only, about 50% of threads have it, and another 50% don't. 
For instance, the DOM thread does not have it, this thread has it in 
between Re:'s, Hide the real URL has it, Pirate PHP books doesn't, etc.


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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Daniel Brown

On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 or am I going retarded again?



   This has been confirmed.  For whatever reason, Gmail isn't showing
me the [PHP] mark in the subject for this thread.  Perhaps because I'm
the OP.

   /me shrugs.

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Re: [PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Daniel Brown

On 7/26/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well I managed to convince the Irish domain people to let me register
guthr.ie which I think is pretty cool.

[snip]

On the downside, as I use the domain quite a lot for numerous things, I
now find it quite hard to write (type) my lastname /without/ the dot in
it!! So my legacy will be to name any offspring with the dot in place on
their birth certificate to avoid any hassle :p


   HA!

   Hey, on a side-note, has anyone else realized that this is
apparently the only PHP thread in the history of the list to not have
the prepended [PHP] in the subject line?

    or am I going retarded again?

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[PHP] Re: The Official OT "Name Tedd's Grandson" Thread

2007-07-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
tedd wrote:
> At 8:53 AM -0400 7/25/07, Daniel Brown wrote:
>>First of all, congrats to Tedd on his 9th grandchild, a boy, at
>> 8lbs. 9oz.

Congrats do Tedd and to your son and his partner!

> My son just informed me that the baby's name is Jacob William Sperling.
> I now have a grandson who's name sounds older than me. Besides my son, I
> also have someone who I can pass the domain name of Sperling.com on to
> -- if that accounts for anything.
> 
> Kind of neat being the first digital Sperling. Have any of you thought
> about the legacy you're leaving digitally?

Well I managed to convince the Irish domain people to let me register
guthr.ie which I think is pretty cool. Means I can create an email
address that is literally just my name with an at sign and a dot thrown
in! Also means that I can setup email addresses and websites for my
family pretty easily :)

On the downside, as I use the domain quite a lot for numerous things, I
now find it quite hard to write (type) my lastname /without/ the dot in
it!! So my legacy will be to name any offspring with the dot in place on
their birth certificate to avoid any hassle :p

Col

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