Re: [PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
On Fri, April 13, 2007 7:29 pm, Børge Holen wrote: On Thursday 12 April 2007 18:18, Chetan Graham wrote: To set the record straight for both camps, in the web apps that come to me I simply do the PHP, javascript, etc. The files come to me already PhotoShopped and Dreamweaed. Yup,,, just filling in the blanks where its needed. I tell them the fields I need, giving them a general pencil sketch of the login or edit page, etc. as I see it. And they better put up som color codes while at it. Or, go whole hog, and let the client change their background color in the DB any time they like, and generate the curvy image borders on the fly with GD. I did that once when a client wanted me to change their color scheme every few weeks. :-) It wasn't a particularly tricky site, nor super pretty, but it did work for them well enough for awhile. It got re-designed and I quit working for them somewhere in the process, as they kept changing even more fundamental things like Feature-Set more or less at random based on whomever they had talked to most recently... -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
It depends what did you want...
For example. My current project uses own template engine. It was so simple.
you have to use {} marked nodes inside of generic html document.
You have to use text editor to update template file...
Then guess what... Our HTML designers cring for dreamweaver support. Yes sure
they are very capable html design (they can create better designs than me).
And without dreamweaver their capacity was gone...
In GUI mode you are connected to gui. Without it your knowladge was
worthless...
Depending some buttons and images make me sick.
And if you there for doing someting to win your food, gui way is so much
simpler.
And if you there for walking to your way you have to know what happen inside
to depend only yourself...
Regards
Sancar
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[PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
At 7:18 PM +0300 4/12/07, Chetan Graham wrote: To set the record straight for both camps, It's good to know both sides of everything. But that's part of the problem because usually those who use only one, don't understand the other. If you are proficient in both, then you have the experience and knowledge to make an informed determination as to what works best. It doesn't make any difference if you're talking about WYSIWYG v hand coding, or using php v javascript, or using tables vs css -- they all have their place. However, it takes experience in all to determine what's best to use to accomplish the task at hand. And the task at hand can mean different things to different people. Some may want a quick and dirty web page while others may have different needs (i.e., accessibility, scalability). But, somewhere down the line, we all arrive at the same place. The question is, does it work for what you want? Cheers, tedd PS: Side note -- if you knew all that could be, you would still want what you want? -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
On Thursday 12 April 2007 18:18, Chetan Graham wrote: To set the record straight for both camps, in the web apps that come to me I simply do the PHP, javascript, etc. The files come to me already PhotoShopped and Dreamweaed. Yup,,, just filling in the blanks where its needed. I tell them the fields I need, giving them a general pencil sketch of the login or edit page, etc. as I see it. And they better put up som color codes while at it. They are good at what they do and at the same time actually afraid of the coding, as PHP is too flexible for their ordered minds. wut? php like in dinner? So their it is. I am a man with feet in both worlds. Am I happy with this situation? Why not, everything is changing all the time and I have to be ready to embrace the next shift in technology when it comes. Maybe we'll all be using PC's like Dick Tracy did with the wrist watch computer from the comic strips when I was a kid. Oh boy, now I've told my old age to all. So be it. Chetan -- --- Børge http://www.arivene.net --- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
To set the record straight for both camps, in the web apps that come to me I simply do the PHP, javascript, etc. The files come to me already PhotoShopped and Dreamweaed. I tell them the fields I need, giving them a general pencil sketch of the login or edit page, etc. as I see it. They are good at what they do and at the same time actually afraid of the coding, as PHP is too flexible for their ordered minds. So their it is. I am a man with feet in both worlds. Am I happy with this situation? Why not, everything is changing all the time and I have to be ready to embrace the next shift in technology when it comes. Maybe we'll all be using PC's like Dick Tracy did with the wrist watch computer from the comic strips when I was a kid. Oh boy, now I've told my old age to all. So be it. Chetan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
Chetan Graham wrote: ince story. Also, I do not believe in making fun of people or their views on a subject even if I feel I know better. Better a friend than an enemy. by definition if you choose 'friend' you are stuck with the concept of 'enemy' - and war will continue doing great business. your all nothing to me. which is everything. Great Coding and success in life! again hold on to 'success' and 'failure' must be close behind - for the simple reason there is no yin without a yang. just live. Hope I haven't bored anyone out there. they bore themselves, if that's the case, and therefore nothing to do with you at all :-) may be I should get some -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
I couldn't agree more with what you are saying in this thread Chetan, I have my feet in quite a few worlds myself, I actually use dreamweaver as a code editor since it has the code completion (I don't know web design/php/mysql/etc etc very well) and some times I need reminders. I have never really liked the WYSIWYG editors, but I'm also the kid who took apart the perfectly good alarm clock to try and figure out how it worked... Personally I feel like if you don't know why it works you can't figure out how to use it properly... A mechanic has to learn alot about how a car works to understand why sticking the key in the ignition and turning it starts the car... :) -- Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Production Technology Manager MQC Specialist (2005 certified) 3251 132nd Ave Holland MI 49424 616.399.2355 www.raoset.com But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
