Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 9:07 AM -0400 7/20/08, Bastien Koert wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:28 PM, tedd 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 8:42 PM -0400 7/19/08, Bastien Koert wrote:


my firefox is not happy finding the site..IE and Opera are both good 
with it...Dunno if this is my problem or something funky in the site?



Which site?


http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db/

but it looks like its a gmail issue...not hanlding the link correctly..strange



My FF on the Mac deals with it.

Also, if you'll note all my stuff validates -- that cuts down on 
browser problems.


Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Bastien Koert]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:28 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 8:42 PM -0400 7/19/08, Bastien Koert wrote:
>
>>
>> my firefox is not happy finding the site..IE and Opera are both good with
>> it...Dunno if this is my problem or something funky in the site?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bastien
>>
>
> Bastien:
>
> Which site?
>
>
> tedd
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http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db/

but it looks like its a gmail issue...not hanlding the link
correctly..strange

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Robert Cummings]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 22:17 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 10:08 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >I see you now only use the POSTed data to display the destination page.
> >But you don't actually save it to the database. Nice try with "Scubby"
> >btw ;) Not sure if you've ever heard of Tor.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Rob.
> 
> 
> Rob:
> 
> I knew as soon as I put in "Scubby", you would find a way around it.  :-)
> 
> No, I don't save anything to the dB anymore. Like I said, next time 
> I'll put in a login and ask people not to change stuff too much -- 
> after all, the end-user should be someone who wants his web site to 
> look good instead of something else.
> 
> No, I never heard of "Tor" -- what's that?

An anonymous proxy... http://www.torproject.org/

Essentially, I can connect to remote sites and appear to come from an IP
other than my own. Or in the case of Doctor Who, or originally, the
Black Donelleys... it allows me to watch restricted media on broadcast
station websites (such as the BBC or NBC) that do geo-IP filtering :)

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 10:08 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:

I see you now only use the POSTed data to display the destination page.
But you don't actually save it to the database. Nice try with "Scubby"
btw ;) Not sure if you've ever heard of Tor.

Cheers,
Rob.



Rob:

I knew as soon as I put in "Scubby", you would find a way around it.  :-)

No, I don't save anything to the dB anymore. Like I said, next time 
I'll put in a login and ask people not to change stuff too much -- 
after all, the end-user should be someone who wants his web site to 
look good instead of something else.


No, I never heard of "Tor" -- what's that?

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Robert Cummings]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 17:17 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 4:38 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:31 -0400, tedd wrote:
> >  > No problem -- I had the data backed-up anyway. I figured that someone
> >>  would do what you did and I was ready for it -- it was easy enough to
> >  > fix.
> 
> -snip-
> 
> >What do you mean backed up? I just replaced the filler data on the page
> >with some filler JavaScript that basically did the following:
> >
> >document.body.innerHTML = 'Rob was here';
> >
> >I didn't do anything to your server files. It was easily remedied by
> >loading the page with JavaScript disabled.
> >
> >I hope you didn't think I tainted your filesystem. I wouldn't do that
> >even as a joke.
> 
> Well, that's not what happened. All the data shown here --
> 
> http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db/
> 
> -- is pulled directly from my database.

I see you now only use the POSTed data to display the destination page.
But you don't actually save it to the database. Nice try with "Scubby"
btw ;) Not sure if you've ever heard of Tor.

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 8:42 PM -0400 7/19/08, Bastien Koert wrote:


my firefox is not happy finding the site..IE and Opera are both good 
with it...Dunno if this is my problem or something funky in the site?


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Bastien:

Which site?

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Bastien Koert]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:37 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 5:24 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:
>
>> Wasn't it just placeholder data? It looked like latin.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rob.
>>
>
> Rob:
>
> Yes, it was placeholder data. It was --
>
> http://www.lipsum.com/
>
> -- data with images and titles and such. It was designed to look like a
> normal web page.
>
> However, what you did was replace everything. Fortunately, you didn't
> replace it with evil code. :-)
>
> I was hoping for discussion rather than a surprise. But, no harm done.
>
> Cheers,
>
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my firefox is not happy finding the site..IE and Opera are both good with
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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 5:24 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:

Wasn't it just placeholder data? It looked like latin.

Cheers,
Rob.


Rob:

Yes, it was placeholder data. It was --

http://www.lipsum.com/

-- data with images and titles and such. It was designed to look like 
a normal web page.


However, what you did was replace everything. Fortunately, you didn't 
replace it with evil code. :-)


I was hoping for discussion rather than a surprise. But, no harm done.

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Robert Cummings]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 17:17 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 4:38 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:31 -0400, tedd wrote:
> >  > No problem -- I had the data backed-up anyway. I figured that someone
> >>  would do what you did and I was ready for it -- it was easy enough to
> >  > fix.
> 
> -snip-
> 
> >What do you mean backed up? I just replaced the filler data on the page
> >with some filler JavaScript that basically did the following:
> >
> >document.body.innerHTML = 'Rob was here';
> >
> >I didn't do anything to your server files. It was easily remedied by
> >loading the page with JavaScript disabled.
> >
> >I hope you didn't think I tainted your filesystem. I wouldn't do that
> >even as a joke.
> 
> Well, that's not what happened. All the data shown here --
> 
> http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db/
> 
> -- is pulled directly from my database.
> 
> When you put:
> 
> document.body.innerHTML = 'Rob was here';
> 
> into the first paragraph and filled the remaining paragraphs with 
> large hunks of text and clicked "save", all the previous data was 
> replaced with your additions. Everything I had there was gone.
> 
> When I inspected the dB, the only data there was yours.

:)

> Fortunately, I had created a sql dump before showing this page to 
> anyone because I knew that whatever anyone put into that page, would 
> go directly into my dB -- so I expected some changes. I just had not 
> expected such a large change nor someone placing code in it.
> 
> As you can imagine, it could have been a lot worse for me -- so 
> thanks for enlightening me as to hazards of leaving something that 
> insecure open for inspection.

Wasn't it just placeholder data? It looked like latin.

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 4:38 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:31 -0400, tedd wrote:
 > No problem -- I had the data backed-up anyway. I figured that someone

 would do what you did and I was ready for it -- it was easy enough to

 > fix.


-snip-


What do you mean backed up? I just replaced the filler data on the page
with some filler JavaScript that basically did the following:

document.body.innerHTML = 'Rob was here';

I didn't do anything to your server files. It was easily remedied by
loading the page with JavaScript disabled.

I hope you didn't think I tainted your filesystem. I wouldn't do that
even as a joke.


Well, that's not what happened. All the data shown here --

http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db/

-- is pulled directly from my database.

When you put:

document.body.innerHTML = 'Rob was here';

into the first paragraph and filled the remaining paragraphs with 
large hunks of text and clicked "save", all the previous data was 
replaced with your additions. Everything I had there was gone.


When I inspected the dB, the only data there was yours.

Fortunately, I had created a sql dump before showing this page to 
anyone because I knew that whatever anyone put into that page, would 
go directly into my dB -- so I expected some changes. I just had not 
expected such a large change nor someone placing code in it.


As you can imagine, it could have been a lot worse for me -- so 
thanks for enlightening me as to hazards of leaving something that 
insecure open for inspection.


No harm done.

Cheers,

tedd

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Eric Butera]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No problem -- I had the data backed-up anyway. I figured that someone would
> do what you did and I was ready for it -- it was easy enough to fix.
>
> But, it did start me thinking about what bad things might happen if I
> allowed to work as before. So, I made it not work as before.
>
> Next time, if the page is going to be editable, I put a logon on it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd


One way to handle this is to have a revision system in place.  I've
rolled this out in one of the newsletter apps I just wrote.  On each
update I inject a copy of the previous content into the revision pool.
 Then on another screen a manager can side-by-side visually compare
the current version with any previous revision and revert if needed.

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Robert Cummings]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:31 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 4:06 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 10:15 -0400, tedd wrote:
> >  > http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db
> >
> >Actually I thought it was intentional at first since maybe the client
> >would want to past in soem JS. But when I was playing around I found
> >that the JavaScript was being munged in weird ways. So I had to go with
> >an all on one line simple script that didn't use any vars.
> >
> >Either way, I knew you'd take it in stride as the humour it was
> >intended :)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Rob.
> 
> Rob:
> 
> No problem -- I had the data backed-up anyway. I figured that someone 
> would do what you did and I was ready for it -- it was easy enough to 
> fix.
> 
> But, it did start me thinking about what bad things might happen if I 
> allowed to work as before. So, I made it not work as before.
> 
> Next time, if the page is going to be editable, I put a logon on it.

What do you mean backed up? I just replaced the filler data on the page
with some filler JavaScript that basically did the following:

document.body.innerHTML = 'Rob was here';

I didn't do anything to your server files. It was easily remedied by
loading the page with JavaScript disabled.

I hope you didn't think I tainted your filesystem. I wouldn't do that
even as a joke.

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 4:06 PM -0400 7/19/08, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 10:15 -0400, tedd wrote:
 > http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

Actually I thought it was intentional at first since maybe the client
would want to past in soem JS. But when I was playing around I found
that the JavaScript was being munged in weird ways. So I had to go with
an all on one line simple script that didn't use any vars.

Either way, I knew you'd take it in stride as the humour it was
intended :)

Cheers,
Rob.


Rob:

No problem -- I had the data backed-up anyway. I figured that someone 
would do what you did and I was ready for it -- it was easy enough to 
fix.


But, it did start me thinking about what bad things might happen if I 
allowed to work as before. So, I made it not work as before.


Next time, if the page is going to be editable, I put a logon on it.

Cheers,

tedd

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Robert Cummings]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 10:15 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 11:05 PM -0400 7/18/08, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:40 -0400, tedd wrote:
> >  > Here's a CMS I've been working on.
> >>
> >  > http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db
> >>
> >>  The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.
> >>
> >>  That specific layout is only one of several different types.
> >
> >That's a really great layout ;)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Rob.
> >--
> 
> Rob:
> 
> I should have known better.
> 
> Thanks for pointing out that the demo wasn't secure. I was assuming 
> that people would understand it was designed for clients to alter, 
> but not the general public.
> 
> In ay event, I fixed it:
> 
> http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

Actually I thought it was intentional at first since maybe the client
would want to past in soem JS. But when I was playing around I found
that the JavaScript was being munged in weird ways. So I had to go with
an all on one line simple script that didn't use any vars.

Either way, I knew you'd take it in stride as the humour it was
intended :)

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 5:22 PM +0200 7/19/08, Paul Scott wrote:

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 10:18 -0400, tedd wrote:

 At 12:48 PM +0200 7/19/08, Frank Arensmeier wrote:
 >19 jul 2008 kl. 05.05 skrev Robert Cummings:
 >>>Here's a CMS I've been working on.
 >>>

 > >>>http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

 >>>
 >>>The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.
 >>>


Tedd,

Looks pretty good, but why not use in place editing with a little bit of
AJAX rather than making the user click twice?

I would rather turn editing on, then click to edit in place.

--Paul


--Paul:

Ajax would indeed be a step closer to what I want -- it's in the plans.

At present the user clicks Edit Mode On (first click) and then picks 
which segment he wants to edit (second click).


Are you saying that just the act of clicking a segment should be 
sufficient to put the segment in edit mode without clicking 
submit/save? If so, that's not a bad idea, but I'll have to think 
about how I can do that.


The idea here is to provide the "client" (not a crazed programmer) 
with a way to edit their web site and make it as easy as a word 
processing application using templates.


Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Paul Scott]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 10:18 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 12:48 PM +0200 7/19/08, Frank Arensmeier wrote:
> >19 jul 2008 kl. 05.05 skrev Robert Cummings:
> >>>Here's a CMS I've been working on.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db
> >>>
> >>>The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.
> >>>

Tedd,

Looks pretty good, but why not use in place editing with a little bit of
AJAX rather than making the user click twice?

I would rather turn editing on, then click to edit in place.

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 12:48 PM +0200 7/19/08, Frank Arensmeier wrote:

19 jul 2008 kl. 05.05 skrev Robert Cummings:

Here's a CMS I've been working on.

http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.

That specific layout is only one of several different types.


That's a really great layout ;)


Extremely funny. I hope Tedd won't get too scared...



He could had been more scarry and put in a picture of himself.  :-)

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 11:05 PM -0400 7/18/08, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:40 -0400, tedd wrote:
 > Here's a CMS I've been working on.



 > http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db


 The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.

 That specific layout is only one of several different types.


That's a really great layout ;)

Cheers,
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Rob:

I should have known better.

Thanks for pointing out that the demo wasn't secure. I was assuming 
that people would understand it was designed for clients to alter, 
but not the general public.


In ay event, I fixed it:

http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Frank Arensmeier]

19 jul 2008 kl. 05.05 skrev Robert Cummings:


On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:40 -0400, tedd wrote:

At 4:26 PM -0400 7/18/08, Al wrote:

I've got one that sounds like it's exactly what you are looking for.

This site uses it extensively.  http://www.restonrunners.org

Just about every single page on the site was created using my php
program "EditPage".  Non-techies do their own thing.

It is highly configurable and uses a simple file-based DB for the
content. Requires php5. Here is part of the user instructions to
give you an idea of the content user instructions.

"Rendering of lines and paragraphs generally will be the same as
they appear in the edit box. Titles, centering and bulletins are
centered.

"Tags" are special instructions for the user's browser and consist
of starting and, generally [there are exceptions as noted], ending
elements [e.g., Blue Text] EditPage's "tags" are
described below. "Tag names can be lower or upper case. Two word
tags can be connected with an underscore or a dash. [e.g. 
or ]"

That's the good news. Bad news is that I'm doing a major redesign
and it won't be ready for about a 3 or 4 weeks. If you can wait till
then, just ask.

Al.


Al:

Here's a CMS I've been working on.

http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.

That specific layout is only one of several different types.


That's a really great layout ;)


Extremely funny. I hope Tedd won't get too scared...

//frank




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Re: [PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Robert Cummings]

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:40 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 4:26 PM -0400 7/18/08, Al wrote:
> >I've got one that sounds like it's exactly what you are looking for.
> >
> >This site uses it extensively.  http://www.restonrunners.org
> >
> >Just about every single page on the site was created using my php 
> >program "EditPage".  Non-techies do their own thing.
> >
> >It is highly configurable and uses a simple file-based DB for the 
> >content. Requires php5. Here is part of the user instructions to 
> >give you an idea of the content user instructions.
> >
> >"Rendering of lines and paragraphs generally will be the same as 
> >they appear in the edit box. Titles, centering and bulletins are 
> >centered.
> >
> >"Tags" are special instructions for the user's browser and consist 
> >of starting and, generally [there are exceptions as noted], ending 
> >elements [e.g., Blue Text] EditPage's "tags" are 
> >described below. "Tag names can be lower or upper case. Two word 
> >tags can be connected with an underscore or a dash. [e.g.  
> >or ]"
> >
> >That's the good news. Bad news is that I'm doing a major redesign 
> >and it won't be ready for about a 3 or 4 weeks. If you can wait till 
> >then, just ask.
> >
> >Al.
> 
> Al:
> 
> Here's a CMS I've been working on.
> 
> http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db
> 
> The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.
> 
> That specific layout is only one of several different types.

That's a really great layout ;)

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[PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[tedd]

At 4:26 PM -0400 7/18/08, Al wrote:

I've got one that sounds like it's exactly what you are looking for.

This site uses it extensively.  http://www.restonrunners.org

Just about every single page on the site was created using my php 
program "EditPage".  Non-techies do their own thing.


It is highly configurable and uses a simple file-based DB for the 
content. Requires php5. Here is part of the user instructions to 
give you an idea of the content user instructions.


"Rendering of lines and paragraphs generally will be the same as 
they appear in the edit box. Titles, centering and bulletins are 
centered.


"Tags" are special instructions for the user's browser and consist 
of starting and, generally [there are exceptions as noted], ending 
elements [e.g., Blue Text] EditPage's "tags" are 
described below. "Tag names can be lower or upper case. Two word 
tags can be connected with an underscore or a dash. [e.g.  
or ]"


That's the good news. Bad news is that I'm doing a major redesign 
and it won't be ready for about a 3 or 4 weeks. If you can wait till 
then, just ask.


Al.


Al:

Here's a CMS I've been working on.

http://www.webbytedd.com/a/easy-page-db

The idea is to allow the user edit pages in situ.

That specific layout is only one of several different types.

Cheers,

tedd

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[PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Al]

I've got one that sounds like it's exactly what you are looking for.

This site uses it extensively.  http://www.restonrunners.org

Just about every single page on the site was created using my php program "EditPage".  Non-techies 
do their own thing.


It is highly configurable and uses a simple file-based DB for the content. Requires php5. Here is 
part of the user instructions to give you an idea of the content user instructions.


"Rendering of lines and paragraphs generally will be the same as they appear in the edit box. 
Titles, centering and bulletins are centered.


"Tags" are special instructions for the user's browser and consist of starting and, generally [there 
are exceptions as noted], ending elements [e.g., Blue Text] EditPage's "tags" are 
described below. "Tag names can be lower or upper case. Two word tags can be connected with an 
underscore or a dash. [e.g.  or ]"


That's the good news. Bad news is that I'm doing a major redesign and it won't be ready for about a 
3 or 4 weeks. If you can wait till then, just ask.


Al.


OOzy Pal wrote:

Hello
I am looking for a simple php CMS. Can anyone help?



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[PHP] Re: very very small CMS

[Shawn McKenzie]

OOzy Pal wrote:

Hello
I am looking for a simple php CMS. Can anyone help?



What should it do?

-Shawn

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