[PHP] using mail() for multiple email address...

2004-03-08 Thread Adam Reiswig
Hello all, I have a strange problem with the mail() function.  It may
not be php at all.  I have multiple email accounts at my website.  I
just started testing the mail() function to learn how it works.  When I
send to multiple address' separating them via a comma, all goes well
until I send the same email to my main account and another address that
in turn redirects it to my main account.  For example:
if (mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], test, no
body really...))
print(successful);
else
print(unsuccessful);
Normally, the two emails would end up in the same pop account but don't
seem to be when I use the above script.  If I send to one or the other
they receive appropriately, but if I send to both at the same time, I
only receive one email, not both.  If anyone can help me as to why this
is and if there is a remedy, I'd sure like to know about it.  Thanks a lot!!
-Adam Reiswig

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[PHP] using mail() for multiple email address...

2004-03-08 Thread Adam Reiswig
Hello all, I have a strange problem with the mail() function.  It may
not be php at all.  I have multiple email accounts at my website.  I
just started testing the mail() function to learn how it works.  When I
send to multiple address' separating them via a comma, all goes well
until I send the same email to my main account and another address that
in turn redirects it to my main account.  For example:
if (mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], test, no
body really...))
print(successful);
else
print(unsuccessful);
Normally, the two emails would end up in the same pop account but don't
seem to be when I use the above script.  If I send to one or the other
they receive appropriately, but if I send to both at the same time, I
only receive one email, not both.  If anyone can help me as to why this
is and if there is a remedy, I'd sure like to know about it.  Thanks a lot!!
-Adam Reiswig

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[PHP] using mail() for multiple email address...

2004-03-08 Thread Adam Reiswig
Hello all, I have a strange problem with the mail() function.  It may 
not be php at all.  I have multiple email accounts at my website.  I 
just started testing the mail() function to learn how it works.  When I 
send to multiple address' separating them via a comma, all goes well 
until I send the same email to my main account and another address that 
in turn redirects it to my main account.  For example:

if (mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], test, no 
body really...))
	print(successful);
else
	print(unsuccessful);

Normally, the two emails would end up in the same pop account but don't 
seem to be when I use the above script.  If I send to one or the other 
they receive appropriately, but if I send to both at the same time, I 
only receive one email, not both.  If anyone can help me as to why this 
is and if there is a remedy, I'd sure like to know about it.  Thanks a lot!!

-Adam Reiswig

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RE: [PHP] using mail() - what is max number of email addresses I can specify in To field?

2003-10-24 Thread Wouter van Vliet
Here's some of my considerations ;)

First of all, for the matter of anti-spam, please do not use the to for more
people than, well .. Usually just one actually. Rather use the 'Bcc:' line.
If there's no personalized information in the email (you might, for example,
want to start with Good Afternoon John for a mail to a fella named John),
I'd split up the list in chunks of 20 or 50 or smth. Or at least an amount
every mailer could handle. Also, you'll probably want to group those chunks
by domain. That way your mailersoftware will have to connect to as little
different addessas as possible. Just specify your own address as 'To:' of
you want to use only BCC. Or even better, specify something like
Undisclosed Recepients [EMAIL PROTECTED] so those mails will just
vanish out of existence.

Or you can, as suggested, make one mail for every recepient. Looks more
personal anyways. I'm not sure if it increases the speed here also if you
give your messages to mail sorted on domain name but I know it won't hurt
;).

Hope I helped a bit,
Wouter

-Original Message-
From: Rolf Brusletto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday 23 October 2003 06:54
To: John Christopher
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] using mail() - what is max number of email addresses I
can specify in To field?

It really depends on the mta you use... if your going to use mail(); the I
would put the list of addresses in an array and the do

foreach($addressArray as $address) {
mail($address,'Here is your subject','Here is your content'); }

Rolf Brusletto
http://www.phpexamples.net

John Christopher wrote:

I am writing a script that will query a database table for some 
statistical information, and then email it (daily, weekly, and monthly) 
to a list of subscribers.  I don't know ahead of time how many persons 
will be subscribed to receive the info (it could be 20 persons or 2000 
or more).  Email addresses can be added to or deleted from the 
subscriber list at any time.

If I am not mistaken, MTAs have a limit on how many recipients can be 
specified on the To: line of an email message.  What is the limit, or 
does it depend on the MTA you're using (sendmail, qmail, etc), or other 
factors?  If there is such a limit, then what is the best way to send 
the message to each recipient?

Thank you.


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[PHP] using mail() - what is max number of email addresses I can specify in To field?

2003-10-22 Thread John Christopher

I am writing a script that will query a database
table for some statistical information, and then
email it (daily, weekly, and monthly) to a list of
subscribers.  I don't know ahead of time how many
persons will be subscribed to receive the info
(it could be 20 persons or 2000 or more).  Email
addresses can be added to or deleted from the
subscriber list at any time.

If I am not mistaken, MTAs have a limit on how
many recipients can be specified on the To: line
of an email message.  What is the limit, or does
it depend on the MTA you're using (sendmail, qmail,
etc), or other factors?  If there is such a limit,
then what is the best way to send the message to
each recipient?

Thank you.


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Re: [PHP] using mail() - what is max number of email addresses I can specify in To field?

2003-10-22 Thread Marco Tabini
I'm not sure if you've considered this possibility--but can't you send 
the messages to one recipient at a time? This way, the problem wouldn't 
present itself, and the end result would be quite the same (with the 
added bonus of not having to disclose your entire mailing list to each 
recipient).

To speed things up, you may want to look at the PHPMailer project 
(http://phpmailer.sourceforge.net/), which provides a class that 
facilitates sending the same message to multiple recipients, as well as 
other aspects of e-mailing, like HTML bodies and attachments.

Finally--if you're sending lots of e-mail I recommend you monitor your 
MTA carefully--Sendmail has a habit of choking on large mailings, 
whereas learner MTAs like Exim or Qmail seem to do better.

Cheers,

Marco

John Christopher wrote:
I am writing a script that will query a database
table for some statistical information, and then
email it (daily, weekly, and monthly) to a list of
subscribers.  I don't know ahead of time how many
persons will be subscribed to receive the info
(it could be 20 persons or 2000 or more).  Email
addresses can be added to or deleted from the
subscriber list at any time.
If I am not mistaken, MTAs have a limit on how
many recipients can be specified on the To: line
of an email message.  What is the limit, or does
it depend on the MTA you're using (sendmail, qmail,
etc), or other factors?  If there is such a limit,
then what is the best way to send the message to
each recipient?
Thank you.

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Re: [PHP] using mail() - what is max number of email addresses I can specify in To field?

2003-10-22 Thread Rolf Brusletto
It really depends on the mta you use... if your going to use mail(); the 
I would put the list of addresses in an array and the do

foreach($addressArray as $address) {
mail($address,'Here is your subject','Here is your content');
}
Rolf Brusletto
http://www.phpexamples.net
John Christopher wrote:

I am writing a script that will query a database
table for some statistical information, and then
email it (daily, weekly, and monthly) to a list of
subscribers.  I don't know ahead of time how many
persons will be subscribed to receive the info
(it could be 20 persons or 2000 or more).  Email
addresses can be added to or deleted from the
subscriber list at any time.
If I am not mistaken, MTAs have a limit on how
many recipients can be specified on the To: line
of an email message.  What is the limit, or does
it depend on the MTA you're using (sendmail, qmail,
etc), or other factors?  If there is such a limit,
then what is the best way to send the message to
each recipient?
Thank you.

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[PHP] using mail()

2003-08-01 Thread Amanda McComb
If I am using this code:

mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], test, testbody);

and want to add a From: line, how do I do it?

Also, is this an excepted way of sending mail from a web page?

Thanks,
Amanda


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RE: [PHP] using mail()

2003-08-01 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip]
If I am using this code:

mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], test, testbody);

and want to add a From: line, how do I do it?

Also, is this an excepted way of sending mail from a web page?
[/snip]

Read http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php Example 2 (How's
that Chris?)

And yes, it is acceptable.

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[PHP] Using mail() function in php.ini (Unix/Linux)

2003-02-18 Thread Scott Fletcher
For those of you who don't know it or are struggling with the problem with
the slow sending of hte e-mail behind the firewall.  This problem doesn't
alway lie with the DNS itself.  The workaround to the problem is the
hostname resolution or the alias to the hostname.  Just open up the
/etc/hosts file using either vi or emac and add this ...   (Substitute the
term in the bracket for something else)

--clip--
IP Addresshostnamedomain name
--clip--

Do not use the dot between the hostname and the domain name.   Just like
this as you normally see in most host files

Ip Addresshostname 1host nickname or secondary name


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Re: [PHP] Using mail() for mailist list app

2003-01-02 Thread Rick Widmer
At 06:33 PM 1/1/03 -0500, Michael J. Pawlowsky wrote:


Personally I simply get the e-mail addresses spit out to me from the 
database and then I  input them into a application made just for bulk mailingt.
You can also easily write a quick perl or shell script to send it out from 
a file of names and this way you can nice the process so as not to 
bog  down the machine.


PHP now offers a command line SAPI that lets you write these programs with 
PHP.  Leave the names in the database, and use PHP's mail() to send the 
messages.  It works very well.  I've been using PHP at the command line for 
quite a while now.  4.3.0 is the first version that creates the CLI version 
of PHP by default.

Rick


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[PHP] Using mail() for mailist list app

2003-01-01 Thread Monty
Happy New Year everyone!

Is the PHP mail() command robust enough to use in a little mailing list app?
The app will basically send an HTML or Text e-mail to the member database of
about 6,000 people. I'm using RedHat Linux 7.2 with PHP 4.2.2, by the way.
I'm concerned I'll bog down my server if I issue the mail() command 6,000
times on our server, but, maybe it won't be a problem?

Also, although I'm sending HTML e-mail, I'm not including attachments or
inline graphics (only direct hotlinks to graphics on a web server). Will
mail() still work okay for this, or do I need to use one of the various PHP
e-mail classes available to send HTML e-mail?

Any recommendations for online tutorials about building a mailing list
manager using PHP would be much appreciated!

Thanks!

Monty


 


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Re: [PHP] Using mail() for mailist list app

2003-01-01 Thread Justin French
Check the archives... mail() tends to break pretty quickly... sometimes on
less than 100 personalised emails...  The issue ISN'T mail() itself, but
things like server timeouts, script timeouts, etc etc.  The issue also isn't
really HTML mail, but more the fact that each email has to be sent to the
mail que, and this is a slow-ish process, so the script timesout.

So another option is Bcc'ing the email to everyone in a non-personalised
manner... you can squeeze a lot more emails out of mail() before the script
times out, but you will run into other issues like:

a) Bcc'd mails of more than 100 recipients can't be sent on most shared
hosts, because it looks like spam -- check with your ISP
b) some mail programs and servers treat mass Bcc emails as spam, I hear


At the moment, I've only got mailing lists that deals with 50-300 people, so
I'm just Bcc'ing them in batches of 20 people... a trade off between lots of
emails to timeout the script, and lots of people in the Bcc list.


I think for 6000 though, you will really need to look at a class like
Manuel's at PHPclasses.org (I think called mimeMail) which has various
work-arounds, none of which I've tried.



Cheers,

Justin




on 02/01/03 9:46 AM, Monty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Happy New Year everyone!
 
 Is the PHP mail() command robust enough to use in a little mailing list app?
 The app will basically send an HTML or Text e-mail to the member database of
 about 6,000 people. I'm using RedHat Linux 7.2 with PHP 4.2.2, by the way.
 I'm concerned I'll bog down my server if I issue the mail() command 6,000
 times on our server, but, maybe it won't be a problem?
 
 Also, although I'm sending HTML e-mail, I'm not including attachments or
 inline graphics (only direct hotlinks to graphics on a web server). Will
 mail() still work okay for this, or do I need to use one of the various PHP
 e-mail classes available to send HTML e-mail?
 
 Any recommendations for online tutorials about building a mailing list
 manager using PHP would be much appreciated!
 
 Thanks!
 
 Monty
 
 
 
 


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Re: [PHP] Using mail() for mailist list app

2003-01-01 Thread Michael J. Pawlowsky


Personally I simply get the e-mail addresses spit out to me from the database and then 
I  input them into a application made just for bulk mailingt.
You can also easily write a quick perl or shell script to send it out from a file of 
names and this way you can nice the process so as not to bog  down the machine.




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On 02/01/2003 at 9:58 AM Justin French wrote:

Check the archives... mail() tends to break pretty quickly... sometimes
on
less than 100 personalised emails...  The issue ISN'T mail() itself, but
things like server timeouts, script timeouts, etc etc.  The issue also
isn't
really HTML mail, but more the fact that each email has to be sent to the
mail que, and this is a slow-ish process, so the script timesout.

So another option is Bcc'ing the email to everyone in a non-personalised
manner... you can squeeze a lot more emails out of mail() before the script
times out, but you will run into other issues like:

a) Bcc'd mails of more than 100 recipients can't be sent on most shared
hosts, because it looks like spam -- check with your ISP
b) some mail programs and servers treat mass Bcc emails as spam, I hear


At the moment, I've only got mailing lists that deals with 50-300 people,
so
I'm just Bcc'ing them in batches of 20 people... a trade off between lots
of
emails to timeout the script, and lots of people in the Bcc list.


I think for 6000 though, you will really need to look at a class like
Manuel's at PHPclasses.org (I think called mimeMail) which has various
work-arounds, none of which I've tried.



Cheers,

Justin




on 02/01/03 9:46 AM, Monty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Happy New Year everyone!

 Is the PHP mail() command robust enough to use in a little mailing list
app?
 The app will basically send an HTML or Text e-mail to the member
database of
 about 6,000 people. I'm using RedHat Linux 7.2 with PHP 4.2.2, by the
way.
 I'm concerned I'll bog down my server if I issue the mail() command 6,000
 times on our server, but, maybe it won't be a problem?

 Also, although I'm sending HTML e-mail, I'm not including attachments or
 inline graphics (only direct hotlinks to graphics on a web server). Will
 mail() still work okay for this, or do I need to use one of the various
PHP
 e-mail classes available to send HTML e-mail?

 Any recommendations for online tutorials about building a mailing list
 manager using PHP would be much appreciated!

 Thanks!

 Monty






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[PHP] using mail() with .info emails?

2002-12-29 Thread Joe Popovich
Im trying to send email using mail() to a .info email address and get an 
error message. I assume the function parses the email address and doesnt 
accept anything that isnt the customary .net, .com, etc. addresses. How can 
I get around this?

Thanks

joe Popovich





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Re: [PHP] using mail() with .info emails?

2002-12-29 Thread Johannes Schlueter
On Sunday 29 December 2002 23:45, Joe Popovich wrote:
 Im trying to send email using mail() to a .info email address and get an
 error message. I assume the function parses the email address and doesnt
 accept anything that isnt the customary .net, .com, etc. addresses. How can
 I get around this?

Usually it should work. Maybe a spam-filter from your provider or sth. like 
that. What kind of error message do you recieve?

johannes

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[PHP] Using Mail Functions.

2002-01-24 Thread Sidney

Dear all,

I am a new user on php and I have read on the function of IMAP in the
php.net but they made me confuse. In ture i am not understand what is the
function and how to use them.

Have there got any resource for me to reference? I think that if there got
more example it can be more easy to understand.

In case, I want to design program which can receive mail and save to mysql
server.

I have spend so much time on this... :(

Can you give me some suggestion?
my e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Best regards,
Sidney



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[PHP] using mail

2001-11-12 Thread Brandon Orther

Hello,
 
I am using the mail() function right now to send e-mails.  Is there a
way I can dynamically change where it says the e-mail is from?
 
Thanks
Brandon



RE: [PHP] using mail

2001-11-12 Thread Martin Towell

the forst param to mail is the extra headers to send
add in Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n
and/or From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n  ( I think this one's correct )

-Original Message-
From: Brandon Orther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:41 AM
To: PHP User Group
Subject: [PHP] using mail


Hello,
 
I am using the mail() function right now to send e-mails.  Is there a
way I can dynamically change where it says the e-mail is from?
 
Thanks
Brandon



RE: [PHP] using mail

2001-11-12 Thread Martin Towell

oops, forst is meant to be forth

-Original Message-
From: Martin Towell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:44 AM
To: 'Brandon Orther'; PHP User Group
Subject: RE: [PHP] using mail


the forst param to mail is the extra headers to send
add in Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n
and/or From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n  ( I think this one's correct )

-Original Message-
From: Brandon Orther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:41 AM
To: PHP User Group
Subject: [PHP] using mail


Hello,
 
I am using the mail() function right now to send e-mails.  Is there a
way I can dynamically change where it says the e-mail is from?
 
Thanks
Brandon



Re: [PHP] using mail

2001-11-12 Thread Kurt Lieber

Did you RTFM?

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php

Just create a variable and input it as an extra header.

$from = from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n ;

mail($to,$subject,$message,$from);

On Monday 12 November 2001 02:41 pm, you wrote:
 Hello,

 I am using the mail() function right now to send e-mails.  Is there a
 way I can dynamically change where it says the e-mail is from?

 Thanks
 Brandon

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RE: [PHP] using mail

2001-11-12 Thread Brandon Orther

YES I DID READ THE F...in MANUAL

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Lieber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] using mail

Did you RTFM?

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php

Just create a variable and input it as an extra header.

$from = from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n ;

mail($to,$subject,$message,$from);

On Monday 12 November 2001 02:41 pm, you wrote:
 Hello,

 I am using the mail() function right now to send e-mails.  Is there a
 way I can dynamically change where it says the e-mail is from?

 Thanks
 Brandon

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RE: [PHP] using mail

2001-11-12 Thread Jason Murray

Then why didn't you notice that in the additional headers
you can specify the from header?

mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], Whee, Whee! Mail Body,
 From: Jason Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n);

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 -Original Message-
 From: Brandon Orther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:52 AM
 To: PHP User Group
 Subject: RE: [PHP] using mail
 
 
 YES I DID READ THE F...in MANUAL
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Lieber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:56 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [PHP] using mail
 
 Did you RTFM?
 
 http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php
 
 Just create a variable and input it as an extra header.
 
 $from = from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n ;
 
 mail($to,$subject,$message,$from);
 
 On Monday 12 November 2001 02:41 pm, you wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I am using the mail() function right now to send e-mails.  
 Is there a
  way I can dynamically change where it says the e-mail is from?
 
  Thanks
  Brandon
 
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