Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
Richard Lynch wrote: On Thu, February 16, 2006 9:38 am, tedd wrote: Gustavo said: This great programming language is *much more* than a Hypertext Pre-Processor! It is? I've seen a fair number of PHP applications that had nothing to do with Hypertext... GD, libPDF, Ming, GTK... Hell, for the past year or two, I've been replacing/writing new shell scripts written in BASH/Perl with PHP. None of them output HTML. ;) -- John C. Nichel IV Programmer/System Admin (ÜberGeek) Dot Com Holdings of Buffalo 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
I'm a bit confused by the need for this debate. As far as I'm concerned PHP stopped being an acronym a while back. Why can't it just be PHP? Why does it need to be redefined? Does anyone actually use the full name these days? In essence, does it really matter? -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
[snip] Hell, for the past year or two, I've been replacing/writing new shell scripts written in BASH/Perl with PHP. None of them output HTML. ;) [/snip] Pretty Hot Performer Actually I had done a lot of this as well. Sometimes much quicker than SED and AWK are for getting the command line widget to 'market'. If I need a small tool to get something done I now more often turn to PHP to knock it out. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
Gustavo said: This great programming language is *much more* than a Hypertext Pre-Processor! It is? A rose by any other Shakespeare I am what I am ... -- Popeye And don't forget: perche' un cambiamento tira l'altra -- Machiavelli tedd -- non sum qualis eram -- and aren't we all? -- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. Not disagreeing, just wondering if people here see PHP as a programming language, or a scripting language? Just curious what the general consensus is, as someone decided to challenge me over it recently and I was left in two minds over it. Cheers, Rich How 'bout this - 'PHP is an application development framework'. I come from a Lotus Notes background and get into the same kind of inane religious discussions about 'you are/are not a programmer because fill in deeply felt belief/reason here' in much of the same way I see for other 'scripting/programming' languages. I don't program, I create applications and try and use the right tool for the right function. ___ This e-mail message has been sent by Kollsman, Inc. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, and you are requested to delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
On Thu, February 16, 2006 9:38 am, tedd wrote: Gustavo said: This great programming language is *much more* than a Hypertext Pre-Processor! It is? I've seen a fair number of PHP applications that had nothing to do with Hypertext... GD, libPDF, Ming, GTK... The list goes on. I was hoping for some inspiration from the ancient poll on php.net from the last time we went through this. Some of the suggestions were very... creative. :-) Personally, I don't really care what the acronym's words say. I know it's not just for text anymore Actually, I think most of the non-text Modules were there when we did the last acronym change. And certainly there were many heavy-duty applications whose Hypertext component was not the primary focus of PHP. So, fwiw, I'm voting -1 on the re-invention of PHP as an acronym. I could be swayed by a REALLY good acronym that expressed what I really thought PHP was all about... But I defy anybody to fit that all into 3 words that come out to PHP. We'd have to change PHP to: RCLTDHIPFGAAOCS which of course stands for: Really Cool Language That Does HTML, Images, PDFs, Flash, GTK, Applications, And Other Cool Stuff. :-) Damn. I missed all the cool sockets/soap/streams stuff. Sorry. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
[snip] Don't you think that PHP should no longer stand for Hypertext Pre-Processor? [/snip] I don't think that anyone is really worried about this anymore. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
Hi, Jay. Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Don't you think that PHP should no longer stand for Hypertext Pre-Processor? [/snip] I don't think that anyone is really worried about this anymore. Please take a look at this post http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125 and this comment by Chris Shiflett http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125#comment-7459. They aren't saying this acronym has to change, but it could be better... So, why don't we change it? That's what I mean. In the end, as I already said, PHP is much more than a Hypertext Preprocessor. Cheers. -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
[snip] Please take a look at this post http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125 and this comment by Chris Shiflett http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125#comment-7459. They aren't saying this acronym has to change, but it could be better... So, why don't we change it? That's what I mean. In the end, as I already said, PHP is much more than a Hypertext Preprocessor. [/snip] I know these guys and appreciate their viewpoint, but if you change the name you may do more harm than good. Let's call it Foo. When it was changed to Pre-Hypertext Preprocessor it was a kludge from Personal Home Page (which sounds like a hobbiests version of something other than a language). Any change will have to have back reference to PHP. The books on the shelf and the books being authored, how do you handle that? In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Please take a look at this post http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125 and this comment by Chris Shiflett http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125#comment-7459. They aren't saying this acronym has to change, but it could be better... So, why don't we change it? That's what I mean. In the end, as I already said, PHP is much more than a Hypertext Preprocessor. [/snip] I know these guys and appreciate their viewpoint, but if you change the name you may do more harm than good. Let's call it Foo. When it was changed to Pre-Hypertext Preprocessor it was a kludge from Personal Home Page (which sounds like a hobbiests version of something other than a language). Any change will have to have back reference to PHP. The books on the shelf and the books being authored, how do you handle that? In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. which leaves open the argument to just drop the meaning altogether - i.e. PHP means nothing, but it's the name of a programming language. .. and just to tease ... ;-) lame writer=aware-of-lameness with regard to best darned programming language you ever saw, how about: Pretty Hot Programming language. Perfectly Heavenly Programming language. /lame -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
On 15 Feb 2006, at 19:59, Jay Blanchard wrote: In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. Not disagreeing, just wondering if people here see PHP as a programming language, or a scripting language? Just curious what the general consensus is, as someone decided to challenge me over it recently and I was left in two minds over it. Cheers, Rich -- http://www.corephp.co.uk Zend Certified Engineer PHP Development Services -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 16:48, Richard Davey wrote: On 15 Feb 2006, at 19:59, Jay Blanchard wrote: In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. Not disagreeing, just wondering if people here see PHP as a programming language, or a scripting language? Just curious what the general consensus is, as someone decided to challenge me over it recently and I was left in two minds over it. It is both. You programmatically define scripts thus programming languages are a superset of scripting languages. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP !== Hypertext Pre-Processor
Hi, Jay. Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Please take a look at this post http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125 and this comment by Chris Shiflett http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125#comment-7459. They aren't saying this acronym has to change, but it could be better... So, why don't we change it? That's what I mean. In the end, as I already said, PHP is much more than a Hypertext Preprocessor. [/snip] I know these guys and appreciate their viewpoint, but if you change the name you may do more harm than good. Let's call it Foo. When it was changed to Pre-Hypertext Preprocessor it was a kludge from Personal Home Page (which sounds like a hobbiests version of something other than a language). Any change will have to have back reference to PHP. The books on the shelf and the books being authored, how do you handle that? I am not suggesting to change PHP, but change what PHP stands for. Change PHP would have no point and would be worst, IMO. When you introduce somebody to PHP, you say It stands for Hypertext Pre-Processor and you can do server-side and command-line scripting, even GUI applications. I doesn't make sense, IMO. Hypertext PreProcessor was a fair name for PHP3, but It isn't for PHP4 nor PHP5... and It'll be worse for PHP6 http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html. What about PHP9? I think PHP is growing and someday that recursive acronym will become unacceptable. I think we better make the switch now, I mean on the PHP6 release. Cheers! -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Jay Blanchard wrote: In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. Hrm, I thought it was People Hate PERL . :-D /me ducks and runs -- First Corollary of Taber's Second Law: Machines that piss people off get murdered. -- Pat Taber -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 19:29, Gustavo Narea wrote: Hi, Jay. Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Please take a look at this post http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125 and this comment by Chris Shiflett http://blogs.phparch.com/mt/?p=125#comment-7459. They aren't saying this acronym has to change, but it could be better... So, why don't we change it? That's what I mean. In the end, as I already said, PHP is much more than a Hypertext Preprocessor. [/snip] I know these guys and appreciate their viewpoint, but if you change the name you may do more harm than good. Let's call it Foo. When it was changed to Pre-Hypertext Preprocessor it was a kludge from Personal Home Page (which sounds like a hobbiests version of something other than a language). Any change will have to have back reference to PHP. The books on the shelf and the books being authored, how do you handle that? I am not suggesting to change PHP, but change what PHP stands for. Change PHP would have no point and would be worst, IMO. When you introduce somebody to PHP, you say It stands for Hypertext Pre-Processor and you can do server-side and command-line scripting, even GUI applications. I doesn't make sense, IMO. Hypertext PreProcessor was a fair name for PHP3, but It isn't for PHP4 nor PHP5... and It'll be worse for PHP6 http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html. What about PHP9? I think PHP is growing and someday that recursive acronym will become unacceptable. I think we better make the switch now, I mean on the PHP6 release. I like recursive.. so here's head and tail recursive *heheh*. PHP Happy PHP Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On the IRC - been told it's for Pretty Horny People ;) LOL Kevin Kinsey wrote: Jay Blanchard wrote: In the end it is not worth worrying about. If someone asks you what PHP stands for tell them it stands for the best darned programming language you ever saw. Hrm, I thought it was People Hate PERL . :-D /me ducks and runs -- life is a game... so have fun. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 01:00:38PM +1000, Ligaya Turmelle wrote: On the IRC - been told it's for Pretty Horny People ;) LOL +1 Curt. -- cat .signature: No such file or directory -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
