Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
This one time, at band camp, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. See what I mean? Kevin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 08:23 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. I don't think he got it smartarse ;-) Cheers, Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 14:50 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 08:23 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. I don't think he got it smartarse ;-) :) -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
What was that? You just quoted his email but didn't add anything! Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk ---BeginMessage--- On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 14:50 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 08:23 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. I don't think he got it smartarse ;-) :) -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ---End Message--- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 16:04 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: What was that? You just quoted his email but didn't add anything! I added an evil smiley face... probably looks like part of the quote though since it leads with the character. The blanks lines hsould have helped resolve that. Cheers, Rob. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk email message attachment, Forwarded message - Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it Forwarded Message From: Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:57:43 -0400 On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 14:50 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 08:23 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. I don't think he got it smartarse ;-) :) -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Ah, I see! Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk ---BeginMessage--- On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 16:04 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: What was that? You just quoted his email but didn't add anything! I added an evil smiley face... probably looks like part of the quote though since it leads with the character. The blanks lines hsould have helped resolve that. Cheers, Rob. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk email message attachment, Forwarded message - Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it Forwarded Message From: Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:57:43 -0400 On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 14:50 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 08:23 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. I don't think he got it smartarse ;-) :) -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ---End Message--- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Robert Cummings schreef: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 23:51 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 14:36 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Jay Blanchard schreef: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) glad to know I haven't lost my touch :-P Perv! you have no idea :-P really, and even if you could imagine, the reality is much worse :-) judging by you guys though I'm in good company :-) I only took a few psychology courses in university so my ability to help you is limited. But I guess it's better than nothing... even if my focus was on the rather generous portion of girls in those classes compared to the stingy numbers experience in my comp sci courses :B now I know Im in good company. :-D Cheers, Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. If you need some help, just drop me a mail Kind regards Kevin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 08:23 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Oh my.. You will upset the list gods and guru's. There will follow from this at least 50 mails saying how bad you are, followed by a bunch of pedants that will pick holes in their arguments. Your assumption that this will occur is clearly based on false presumptions. For instance you assume that what has happened before will happen again. Secondly, your assertion that there are pedants waiting to pick apart poorly thought out arguments is baseless. Lastly, you forgot to send in your dues to the list to ensure unmolested posting of ridiculous statements. Please return to your rock and draw up another strategy to offend the list. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
V S Rawat wrote: If you provide paid help in code development/ testing/ troubleshooting related to php or other software areas, please feel free to drop a line to me at my id mentioned below. Please don't write here as some other members might find this off topic. Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Thanks. -- V vsrawat at gmail dot com Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. Just my two cents. Stijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
metastable schreef: V S Rawat wrote: If you provide paid help in code development/ testing/ troubleshooting related to php or other software areas, please feel free to drop a line to me at my id mentioned below. Please don't write here as some other members might find this off topic. Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Thanks. -- V vsrawat at gmail dot com Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. which the subject made pretty clearly, use common sense and ignore such mails if they don't interest you. Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or hadn't seen yours either, at least Rawat is a real name. and for the record he has posted 2 more messages to the list than you have this year (your massive contribution ammounts to 7 posts since Nov'07) ... Rawat's first post started with the words 'Newbie Problem' so he's indentified himself as a beginner and therefore it's in everyone's interest that he do alot more reading (and asking questions) rather than replying to other's questions with the limited knowledge he has atm. remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. He's looking for a little off-list help for which he is apparently willing to offer some kind of compensation ... plenty of other's have done the same in the past, some of us occasionally even take people up on their offer and I've actually earned more dollars that way than you've posted words to this list. Seems to me you either have a pathetic grasp of the english language or you can't be bothered to read. Just my two cents. indeed. PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On 19 Aug 2008, at 12:52, Jochem Maas wrote: metastable schreef: V S Rawat wrote: If you provide paid help in code development/ testing/ troubleshooting related to php or other software areas, please feel free to drop a line to me at my id mentioned below. Please don't write here as some other members might find this off topic. Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Thanks. -- V vsrawat at gmail dot com remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. He's looking for a little off-list help for which he is apparently willing to offer some kind of compensation ... plenty of other's have done the same in the past, some of us occasionally even take people up on their offer and I've actually earned more dollars that way than you've posted words to this list. Seems to me you either have a pathetic grasp of the english language or you can't be bothered to read. To be fair that wasn't entirely clear from the message. Something more along the lines of I'm having trouble with something that I can't talk about on a public list, or I have a sizable project to get done and I need some help for which I have a budget with a let me know off-list if you're interested to sign off would have been a lot clearer. PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. I was wondering why I didn't get much sleep last night - something was definitely bothering me about today. ;) -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On 8/19/2008 4:53 PM India Time, _metastable_ wrote: Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. That could be individual opinion. :-) Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or remembered it in any reply, Your memory might be playing tricks on you: http://groups.google.co.in/group/php.general/browse_thread/thread/de49b2b04c4eaa89/f59226fdf1b539ba?hl=enlnk=gstq=vsrawat#f59226fdf1b539ba Newbie problem: Php script not running in browser. I have posted about that in c.l.php also. I had also posted a thread about aioe bouncing posts to php groups on account of HTML Tags. as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. you seem to be bent on not inspiring that. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. You seem to be having something against commercial dealings. Seems you dad-in-law has enough money. Just my two cents. Stijn Thanks. -- V -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
V S Rawat wrote: On 8/19/2008 4:53 PM India Time, _metastable_ wrote: Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. That could be individual opinion. :-) Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or remembered it in any reply, Your memory might be playing tricks on you: http://groups.google.co.in/group/php.general/browse_thread/thread/de49b2b04c4eaa89/f59226fdf1b539ba?hl=enlnk=gstq=vsrawat#f59226fdf1b539ba Newbie problem: Php script not running in browser. I have posted about that in c.l.php also. I had also posted a thread about aioe bouncing posts to php groups on account of HTML Tags. as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. you seem to be bent on not inspiring that. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. You seem to be having something against commercial dealings. Seems you dad-in-law has enough money. Just my two cents. Stijn Thanks. I did indeed misread your post, but it was also confusing. Good luck in your quest ! regards, Stijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Stut schreef: On 19 Aug 2008, at 12:52, Jochem Maas wrote: metastable schreef: V S Rawat wrote: If you provide paid help in code development/ testing/ troubleshooting related to php or other software areas, please feel free to drop a line to me at my id mentioned below. Please don't write here as some other members might find this off topic. Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Thanks. -- V vsrawat at gmail dot com remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. He's looking for a little off-list help for which he is apparently willing to offer some kind of compensation ... plenty of other's have done the same in the past, some of us occasionally even take people up on their offer and I've actually earned more dollars that way than you've posted words to this list. Seems to me you either have a pathetic grasp of the english language or you can't be bothered to read. To be fair that wasn't entirely clear from the message. Something more along the lines of I'm having trouble with something that I can't talk about on a public list, or I have a sizable project to get done and I need some help for which I have a budget with a let me know off-list if you're interested to sign off would have been a lot clearer. yeah, I guess - although I usually put that down to the fact that souls from the Indian continent have a rather 'funny' way of using the english language (when compared to the average Brit/Canadian) PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. I was wondering why I didn't get much sleep last night - something was definitely bothering me about today. lol. your intuition was spot on ... pity about that ;-) ;) -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
V S Rawat schreef: On 8/19/2008 4:53 PM India Time, _metastable_ wrote: Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. That could be individual opinion. :-) Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or remembered it in any reply, Your memory might be playing tricks on you: http://groups.google.co.in/group/php.general/browse_thread/thread/de49b2b04c4eaa89/f59226fdf1b539ba?hl=enlnk=gstq=vsrawat#f59226fdf1b539ba Newbie problem: Php script not running in browser. I have posted about that in c.l.php also. I had also posted a thread about aioe bouncing posts to php groups on account of HTML Tags. as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. you seem to be bent on not inspiring that. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. You seem to be having something against commercial dealings. Seems you dad-in-law has enough money. ... don't start bitchin' now ... you don't have the karma points to waste just yet Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
[snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Jochem Maas wrote: metastable schreef: V S Rawat wrote: If you provide paid help in code development/ testing/ troubleshooting related to php or other software areas, please feel free to drop a line to me at my id mentioned below. Please don't write here as some other members might find this off topic. Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Thanks. -- V vsrawat at gmail dot com Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. which the subject made pretty clearly, use common sense and ignore such mails if they don't interest you. The subject made clear__ that this was an advert, not a job offering. Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or hadn't seen yours either, at least Rawat is a real name. and for the record he has posted 2 more messages to the list than you have this year (your massive contribution ammounts to 7 posts since Nov'07) ... Rawat's first post started with the words 'Newbie Problem' so he's indentified himself as a beginner and therefore it's in everyone's interest that he do alot more reading (and asking questions) rather than replying to other's questions with the limited knowledge he has atm. You must really have nothing better to do than to look up statistics on posting behaviour. Slow day ? :) I stand by my point though. Had it actually been an advert, which it was not, a post count of 9 would not inspire confidence in his qualities as a determined support engineer. remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. He's looking for a little off-list help for which he is apparently willing to offer some kind of compensation ... plenty of other's have done the same in the past, some of us occasionally even take people up on their offer and I've actually earned more dollars that way than you've posted words to this list. Seems to me you either have a pathetic grasp of the english language or you can't be bothered to read. Just my two cents. indeed. PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. I'm sure everyone here spent these last couple of weeks wandering aimlessly in your abscence, hoping that you would find a post suitable enough to direct your vengeance at. Welcome back. regards, Stijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On 19 Aug 2008, at 13:19, metastable wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: metastable schreef: which the subject made pretty clearly, use common sense and ignore such mails if they don't interest you. The subject made clear__ that this was an advert, not a job offering. A job offering *is* an advert when posted to a public forum. Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or hadn't seen yours either, at least Rawat is a real name. and for the record he has posted 2 more messages to the list than you have this year (your massive contribution ammounts to 7 posts since Nov'07) ... Rawat's first post started with the words 'Newbie Problem' so he's indentified himself as a beginner and therefore it's in everyone's interest that he do alot more reading (and asking questions) rather than replying to other's questions with the limited knowledge he has atm. You must really have nothing better to do than to look up statistics on posting behaviour. Slow day ? :) I stand by my point though. Had it actually been an advert, which it was not, a post count of 9 would not inspire confidence in his qualities as a determined support engineer. It seems daft to judge someone based on their contribution to a public voluntary mailing list, especially if you just look at the numbers. Most job ads we get on this list come from people who've never posted before, but that doesn't make them any less worthy of a look if you're in the market. remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. He's looking for a little off-list help for which he is apparently willing to offer some kind of compensation ... plenty of other's have done the same in the past, some of us occasionally even take people up on their offer and I've actually earned more dollars that way than you've posted words to this list. Seems to me you either have a pathetic grasp of the english language or you can't be bothered to read. Just my two cents. indeed. PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. I'm sure everyone here spent these last couple of weeks wandering aimlessly in your abscence, hoping that you would find a post suitable enough to direct your vengeance at. Hey, now that I won't accept. Anything coming from the fingertips of the great Jochem in the sky is worthy and he shalt smite thee for your insolence. All hail the mighty Maas!! ;) -Stut PS. No, not a slow day for me, just in need of a brief distraction! -- http://stut.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Quoting Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: metastable schreef: V S Rawat wrote: If you provide paid help in code development/ testing/ troubleshooting related to php or other software areas, please feel free to drop a line to me at my id mentioned below. Please don't write here as some other members might find this off topic. Sorry for bothering the rest of you. I hope you wouldn't really mind if some of our colleagues who are doing such a lovely volunteer work here get to earn some money for a bottle of beer and more. Rest assured that it is no fraud/ scam/ cheating. I am very much here to take the brickbats. Thanks. -- V vsrawat at gmail dot com Imo, it is both off-topic and inappropriate. which the subject made pretty clearly, use common sense and ignore such mails if they don't interest you. Moreover, I have not seen your name in any of the topics on this list or hadn't seen yours either, at least Rawat is a real name. and for the record he has posted 2 more messages to the list than you have this year (your massive contribution ammounts to 7 posts since Nov'07) ... Rawat's first post started with the words 'Newbie Problem' so he's indentified himself as a beginner and therefore it's in everyone's interest that he do alot more reading (and asking questions) rather than replying to other's questions with the limited knowledge he has atm. remembered it in any reply, as opposed to many others who take time from their busy schedules to give something back, free of charge. This does not inspire much confidence in your qualities or determination. There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. He's looking for a little off-list help for which he is apparently willing to offer some kind of compensation ... plenty of other's have done the same in the past, some of us occasionally even take people up on their offer and I've actually earned more dollars that way than you've posted words to this list. Seems to me you either have a pathetic grasp of the english language or you can't be bothered to read. Just my two cents. indeed. PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. So right! welcome back Jochem. This list just isn't the same without your comments ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Jay Blanchard schreef: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) glad to know I haven't lost my touch :-P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Stut schreef: On 19 Aug 2008, at 13:19, metastable wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: ... Hey, now that I won't accept. Anything coming from the fingertips of the great Jochem in the sky is worthy and he shalt smite thee for your insolence. atleast I've already found myself a new 'Crayon' to play with ... All hail the mighty Maas!! ;) how to make friends and influence people :-P -Stut PS. No, not a slow day for me, just in need of a brief distraction! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 19 Aug 2008, at 13:36, Jochem Maas wrote: Jay Blanchard schreef: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) glad to know I haven't lost my touch :-P Oh, is that what that was? I thought I'd caught something! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: On 19 Aug 2008, at 13:19, metastable wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: ... Hey, now that I won't accept. Anything coming from the fingertips of the great Jochem in the sky is worthy and he shalt smite thee for your insolence. atleast I've already found myself a new 'Crayon' to play with ... All hail the mighty Maas!! ;) how to make friends and influence people :-P That's a great book BTW :) And yes... I felt a disturbance in the force as well... The force is strong with you young Maas -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) You kidding, I don't think any of us regulars did... Glad to see you back Jochem. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 8/19/2008 4:53 PM India Time, _metastable_ wrote: There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. Oh, like ODesk? I wouldn't be able to pay that kind of King's ransoms the developers over there are charging. I thought that if I look in help ngs where veterans are already providing voluntary help, they might not mind if I manage to pay a humble amount for their tips for correcting or even developing a crucial cryptic part of my code. Actually, I had seen, especially in Java groups, threads like: http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.help/browse_thread/thread/7b610ded8e22098f/8d083f8ff374f4b0?hl=enlnk=gstq=paypal#8d083f8ff374f4b0 Email Java tutor needed! $20 each homework! http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.gui/browse_thread/thread/afb2cca2c29d5b03/d0fe80666226af6f?hl=enlnk=stq=JAVA+PAYPAL#d0fe80666226af6f get $10 through paypal upon finishing this small java prgram..1st come 1st win http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.help/browse_thread/thread/ed2007c157e55cde/7b34426e63f07520?hl=enlnk=gstq=paypal#7b34426e63f07520 Will Pay $50 for help on Java swing project http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.help/browse_thread/thread/71baa9425c6f56ce/c597a93e0a526c0e?hl=enlnk=gstq=paypal#c597a93e0a526c0e Please help me In the last thread above, members helped a person, and then, this is a part: Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.help From: Andrew Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:25:25 GMT Subject: Re: Please help me On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:25:33 +0100, april wrote: I have just had a look at the sites listed but could not find anywhere to dontate some cash. Do you have a paypal account and prehaps then I could do it that way Sure do, http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ the 'Make a Donation' button is hidden over on the left, below the menu... (Tah!) -- Andrew Thompson http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web IT Help http://www.1point1C.org/ Science Technology -- Oh yeah now I see it. Sorry its not going to be mega amounts of money as I really can not afford it right now so please understand. Sorry I can not afford more. Make no apologies April, and thank you. With the two donations I have received recently (1 from a student in Ireland) I now have almost half what the *huge* ads on my site have earned over 4 months! All the best with your new Java enabled browser, April. Take care. :-) --end So, I thought that I might also utilize similar help against humble payments. No, it is not my school homework. I don't study - I mean, not any more. :-) I am a surviving dinosaur of DOS/GWBasic/ Pascal/ Fortran/ Cobol/ dBASEIII/ foxpro and unix days when windows and Linux were not born. I am (was) a master of procedural languages but then my ratbrain couldn't grasp 4GLs if you know that early 90s term. I then learned HTML and bits of Perl, Java and Javascript, but I get scared by their vastness and can do only elementary half page coding in them. I work by freelancing - bidding and getting jobs on net sites, getting paid for them. My own areas are Translation, Transcription, MS Office, Excel, HTML. But, nowadays nothing is working in isolation. e.g., go to that site, extract 200 pages of data, only this-this-this fields, save that in csv file and open that in excel, do such and such processing on this and this field of the data and arrange the results in such format, convert that to pdf and send the pdf to me. whoosh! Stumbling blocks: - foxpro 2.6 has been rendered obsolete even by its makers. I had never even looked into its Visual counterpart. - perl is manageable, but PerlScript doesn't work in Firefox. - PerlScript is working in ie, but greasemonkey ready scripts and ff's wealth of extensions don't work in ie. - I have been told that JavaScript is not able to save things on hdd. so on. Wherever I start, something comes up that stumps me and I loose another project. I was surprised to see PHP becoming increasing popular for web related work. Clients are mentioning php by name. I thought that I could manage it with my Perl/ CGI bits of knowledge. I installed win WAMP Server 2.0 and everything else is working fine but php refused to work on my box. Even if it starts working, i wouldn't be able to become a master of it overnight. I inquired about command line processor or javascript like shell of php, but seems there are none. Why not ask for unpaid help here? Well, the usual culture in techy ng-s/ ml-s is NO-SPOONFEEDING. If I ask questions here, members would surely help me but would ask me to read such and such webpage or manual and tryout this and that command. When the client is sitting on my head through the other end of chat window threatening to cancel the project and even forfeit expert guarantee amount committed by me,
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Sorry for the top-post, and please don't be offended by the following... Much as you would probably like to think it's a good business model, bidding low for projects and then expecting other developers to help you for even less is not sustainable. I appreciate your position but you need to understand that freelance PHP developers charge what they do because that's what the market will pay. I've recently taken on 2 PHP contractors and even though there's only 20 GBP difference in their daily rates one is miles better than the other, to the point where I'm having to check everything the slightly cheaper one is doing and I've found a number of killer bugs that would have caused major issues had they gone live. The point I'm making is that you get what you pay for and you're kinda illustrating why. Unfortunately the general market out there doesn't value quality over it works so the gap between the excellent and the downright awful is pretty small. The bottom line is that you shouldn't be taking on work that either you can't do or you can't afford to sub-contract. Appealing to the community for cheap help is just not cricket! You wouldn't go broke on not getting such amounts - every penny counts when you're a freelancer, as does every minute. Some will be able to afford to lose a few dollars here and there due to non- payment, but others (in fact the ones likely to take up your offer if you can find any) probably can't. I hope you take this the way it's intended - as some friendly advice - and not as an attack of any kind. I applaud anyone who's embarking on a freelance career since it's a pretty risky route to take, but you need to approach it in a sustainable way if it's going to be a success. If you can make a success of freelancing you can do very well out of it so I wish you the best of luck. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ On 19 Aug 2008, at 15:17, V S Rawat wrote: On 8/19/2008 4:53 PM India Time, _metastable_ wrote: There are many channels out there that would be beneficial to your goals, e.g. wendo, ogone and the likes. Please take your commercial goals there. Oh, like ODesk? I wouldn't be able to pay that kind of King's ransoms the developers over there are charging. I thought that if I look in help ngs where veterans are already providing voluntary help, they might not mind if I manage to pay a humble amount for their tips for correcting or even developing a crucial cryptic part of my code. Actually, I had seen, especially in Java groups, threads like: http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.help/browse_thread/thread/7b610ded8e22098f/8d083f8ff374f4b0?hl=enlnk=gstq=paypal#8d083f8ff374f4b0 Email Java tutor needed! $20 each homework! http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.gui/browse_thread/thread/afb2cca2c29d5b03/d0fe80666226af6f?hl=enlnk=stq=JAVA+PAYPAL#d0fe80666226af6f get $10 through paypal upon finishing this small java prgram..1st come 1st win http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.help/browse_thread/thread/ed2007c157e55cde/7b34426e63f07520?hl=enlnk=gstq=paypal#7b34426e63f07520 Will Pay $50 for help on Java swing project http://groups.google.co.in/group/comp.lang.java.help/browse_thread/thread/71baa9425c6f56ce/c597a93e0a526c0e?hl=enlnk=gstq=paypal#c597a93e0a526c0e Please help me In the last thread above, members helped a person, and then, this is a part: Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.help From: Andrew Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:25:25 GMT Subject: Re: Please help me On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:25:33 +0100, april wrote: I have just had a look at the sites listed but could not find anywhere to dontate some cash. Do you have a paypal account and prehaps then I could do it that way Sure do, http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ the 'Make a Donation' button is hidden over on the left, below the menu... (Tah!) -- Andrew Thompson http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web IT Help http://www.1point1C.org/ Science Technology -- Oh yeah now I see it. Sorry its not going to be mega amounts of money as I really can not afford it right now so please understand. Sorry I can not afford more. Make no apologies April, and thank you. With the two donations I have received recently (1 from a student in Ireland) I now have almost half what the *huge* ads on my site have earned over 4 months! All the best with your new Java enabled browser, April. Take care. :-) --end So, I thought that I might also utilize similar help against humble payments. No, it is not my school homework. I don't study - I mean, not any more. :-) I am a surviving dinosaur of DOS/GWBasic/ Pascal/ Fortran/ Cobol/ dBASEIII/ foxpro and unix days when windows and Linux were not born. I am (was) a master of procedural languages but then my ratbrain couldn't grasp 4GLs if you know that early 90s term. I then learned HTML
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On 8/19/2008 5:49 PM India Time, _metastable_ wrote: I stand by my point though. Had it actually been an advert, which it was not, a post count of 9 would not inspire confidence in his qualities as a determined support engineer. I think incorrigible is the word for you. V S rawat java http://groups.google.co.in/groups/search?ie=UTF-8oe=utf-8q=V+S+rawat+javaqt_s=Search 284 hits, V S rawat javascript http://groups.google.co.in/groups/search?ie=UTF-8oe=utf-8q=V+S+rawat+javascriptqt_s=Search 212 hits, V S rawat perl http://groups.google.co.in/groups/search?ie=UTF-8oe=utf-8q=V+S+rawat+perlqt_s=Search 122 hits V S rawat crack http://groups.google.co.in/groups/search?ie=UTF-8oe=utf-8q=V+S+rawat+crackqt_s=Search 56 hits (that crack was for serial/keygen/ cracks type of crack. Not what you just thought.) V S rawat http://groups.google.co.in/groups/search?ie=UTF-8oe=utf-8q=V+S+rawatqt_s=Search 13,000 hits. regards, Stijn I foresee you now declaring me the biggest spammer on ngs. I am on ngs since when Groups.Google was not born and Deja (what was the name?) was ruling the roost which was then bought by Google to get content for groups.google. -- V -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 8/19/2008 8:11 PM India Time, _Stut_ wrote: Sorry for the top-post, and please don't be offended by the following... Much as you would probably like to think it's a good business model, bidding low for projects I would be bidding low? Where did I say that? Currently I am not at all bidding on those projects as I know I wouldn't be able to do them. Once I know that I will get help where I get stuck doing them, I would very much bid. And bid high as well. and then expecting other developers to help you When you say expecting others, it sounds as if I have invoked some 11th commandment that php developers must help me. Nothing like that. It was an offer to help me on email against tiny gesture payments that would at most fetch a glass of beer, just like your friends give you a tiny treat when you help them out in something. for even less again. even less implies that there is some high rate at which a php member would help people, and I am pleading to him to help me at a rate lower than that. Nothing like that. Firstly, there is no rate for helping in this ng. It is all free. Secondly, I don't think anybody here bother to negotiate payments with anyone against help. I thought someone would help me and would get a tiny unasked payment. As I quoted, Java ng is already doing it. May be, php ng would also do it some day. is not sustainable. no problemo. Then I wouldn't be able to do it through php. I would start using java or other languages in which somebody could help me. I appreciate your position but you need to understand that freelance PHP developers charge what they do because that's what the market will pay. They can continue charging that. Where am I coming in picture? I can't afford their rates so I can't use their professional help. If I get help, I would bid against those freelance PHP developers in the same range and market would absorb me also. I've recently taken on 2 PHP contractors and even though there's only 20 GBP difference in their daily rates one is miles better than the other, to the point where I'm having to check everything the slightly cheaper one is doing and I've found a number of killer bugs that would have caused major issues had they gone live. The point I'm making is that you get what you pay for and you're kinda illustrating why. I understand quality. I don't intend to do shabby job for my clients. I need php veterans, that is why I posted this thread here. Unfortunately the general market out there doesn't value quality over it works so the gap between the excellent and the downright awful is pretty small. No, no. Worry not on this account. One can't make-believe in code development. It either runs or doesn't run. Nobody can create a fake code that gives appearance of running and producing output but actually doing nothing really. The bottom line is that you shouldn't be taking on work that either you can't do or you can't afford to sub-contract. Appealing to the community for cheap help is just not cricket! Nobody is appealing. Nobody mentioned cheap rate as if seeking discount. There are freelancer somewhere. Of course, several regulars of this ng must be doing freelancing elsewhere and earning good money. But I am sure that this ng has several veterans who don't do freelancing. They are here helping other just due to their passion for php and due to their helpful nature. If they start freelancing, they would also earn good money, but freelancing needs its own commitments and overheads that they might not feel like bothering about due to their existing commitments. I come handy for them. I chase the projects, I bid, I commit, I interact with clients. The php veteran here wouldn't need to go into all that. but he would just give reply to my one or two emails, may be jot down 5 lines of code and send to me, and he is done. Remaining work is still upon me to finish and to feed to the client. So, the php veteran still has his existing free life, and he just spend 5 minutes for me. I thought that some of you might find it worth giving a thought. You wouldn't go broke on not getting such amounts - every penny counts when you're a freelancer, as does every minute. Some will be able to afford to lose a few dollars here and there due to non- payment, but others (in fact the ones likely to take up your offer if you can find any) probably can't. Tch. I was just telling that even in the worst case when all your fears come true and I run away with your $20, you will still have all you have. The purpose of writing it was not to confess that I would do it, but to say that I wouldn't do it as it would make me loose your further help. I hope you take this the way it's intended - as some friendly advice - and not as an attack of any kind. I applaud anyone who's embarking on a freelance career since it's a pretty risky route to take, but you need to approach it in
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On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 14:36 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Jay Blanchard schreef: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) glad to know I haven't lost my touch :-P Perv! ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !-- SNIP -- I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. Cheers, tedd See, I knew you were one of the wise ancient ones! Kluthluu!! ;) Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[snip] OFF-LIST [/snip] FAIL. [snip] I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. [/snip] No doubt. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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At 2:28 PM -0400 8/19/08, tedd wrote: V: OFF-LIST I have not kept up on this thread -- too lengthily and too confusing. If you need help, just ask. If you need paid help, I charge $50 per hour. I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. Cheers, tedd Oops. Apparently my length of freelancing hasn't been enough to teach me the difference between OFF_LIST and NOT. But, to drive my point further home, I got underwear older than most of you. :-P Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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-Original Message- From: tedd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:24 PM To: V S Rawat; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it At 2:28 PM -0400 8/19/08, tedd wrote: V: OFF-LIST I have not kept up on this thread -- too lengthily and too confusing. If you need help, just ask. If you need paid help, I charge $50 per hour. I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. Cheers, tedd Oops. Apparently my length of freelancing hasn't been enough to teach me the difference between OFF_LIST and NOT. But, to drive my point further home, I got underwear older than most of you. :-P TMI, pal! You may enjoy the breeze all those holes afford, but maybe it's time for a change. :D Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 15:24 -0400, tedd wrote: At 2:28 PM -0400 8/19/08, tedd wrote: V: OFF-LIST I have not kept up on this thread -- too lengthily and too confusing. If you need help, just ask. If you need paid help, I charge $50 per hour. I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. Cheers, tedd Oops. Apparently my length of freelancing hasn't been enough to teach me the difference between OFF_LIST and NOT. But, to drive my point further home, I got underwear older than most of you. :-P You might want to charge more so you can afford new underwear ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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There is such a thing as too much information you know. I'm going to be kept up all night with nightmares now! Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk ---BeginMessage--- On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 15:24 -0400, tedd wrote: At 2:28 PM -0400 8/19/08, tedd wrote: V: OFF-LIST I have not kept up on this thread -- too lengthily and too confusing. If you need help, just ask. If you need paid help, I charge $50 per hour. I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. Cheers, tedd Oops. Apparently my length of freelancing hasn't been enough to teach me the difference between OFF_LIST and NOT. But, to drive my point further home, I got underwear older than most of you. :-P You might want to charge more so you can afford new underwear ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ---End Message--- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[snip] But, to drive my point further home, I got underwear older than most of you. :-P [/snip] Uh doodyou might want to do a little shopping once in a while. I think I may be the 2ns oldest on the board and I buy new underwear once a year whether I need it or not. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Wolf schreef: tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !-- SNIP -- I've freelanced longer than most these guys have been alive. Cheers, tedd See, I knew you were one of the wise ancient ones! Kluthluu!! ;) Lovecraft! nice one :-) Hey Tedd, not sure I needed underwear info but it got me thinking, we could start using it as a metric for hacking experience ... my guess my guess is I measure about third of a pair of Tedd's Y-fronts, 1/3TYF ;-) I'm assume they have to be Y-Fronts if they're that old, lol. @Stut: good points about freelancing, it's also worth noting that a freelancer charging 'top dollar' will probably not end up costing anymore than someone charging half as much because they generally get the job done in half the time and, as Stut pointed out, they're liable to deliver stuff that you can rely on rather than have to pray it works. Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
Robert Cummings schreef: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 14:36 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Jay Blanchard schreef: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) glad to know I haven't lost my touch :-P Perv! you have no idea :-P really, and even if you could imagine, the reality is much worse :-) judging by you guys though I'm in good company :-) ;) Cheers, Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Semi-ADVERT, not really spam, sorry for it
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 23:51 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 14:36 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Jay Blanchard schreef: [snip] PS - for those that know, I'm back ... with a vengeance. [/snip] That explains why I didn't sleep well last night. :) glad to know I haven't lost my touch :-P Perv! you have no idea :-P really, and even if you could imagine, the reality is much worse :-) judging by you guys though I'm in good company :-) I only took a few psychology courses in university so my ability to help you is limited. But I guess it's better than nothing... even if my focus was on the rather generous portion of girls in those classes compared to the stingy numbers experience in my comp sci courses :B Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
