RE: [PHP] java .vs php
On Thu, November 10, 2005 9:45 am, Nathan Tobik wrote: > Google uses Java also: > http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/google/limoore.html Google uses Pigeons as well. :-) After doing enough web development for enough time, you get to where you really don't care what so-and-so is using, no matter how successful they may be. Oh, sure, you get warm fuzzies in your tummy when you hear Yahoo is using PHP, or Google uses PHP for some stuff, but it doesn't really MATTER to you. Because, in the end, of all the things that they can point to for their success, the development language behind their software is least likely to be a major factor. I'm not saying it doesn't matter at all, nor that there aren't specific reasons to choose one over another. Only that the success/failure of the site rarely, if ever, rides on the language chosen. It rides almost exclusively on the shoulders of the people building/marketing/promoting/using the site. I suppose there's even a good site built in ASP out there somewhere, even if I think all the ones I've ever seen really suck. :-) -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] java .vs php
Google uses Java also: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/google/limoore.html Nate Tobik (412)661-5700 x206 VigilantMinds -Original Message- From: Gustavo Narea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:25 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] java .vs php Google uses PHP too. For example: http://toolbar.google.com/failed.php http://toolbar.google.com/whatsnew.php3 http://www.google.co.ve/search?q=%22google+uses+php%22 Regards. Skippy wrote: > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >>I know Yahoo! uses PHP and I've heard Google does as well? > > > Google uses Python. > > http://www.python.org/Quotes.html > -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
Google uses PHP too. For example: http://toolbar.google.com/failed.php http://toolbar.google.com/whatsnew.php3 http://www.google.co.ve/search?q=%22google+uses+php%22 Regards. Skippy wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know Yahoo! uses PHP and I've heard Google does as well? Google uses Python. http://www.python.org/Quotes.html -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I know Yahoo! uses PHP and I've heard Google does as well? Google uses Python. http://www.python.org/Quotes.html -- Romanian Web Developers - http://ROWD.ORG -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
Look at the Thousand and Thousands of vBulletin boards, PHPBB's and other PHP/MySQL based BB Systems out there with several thousand Members on at once, not including guests. I know Yahoo! uses PHP and I've heard Google does as well?
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
On Wed, November 9, 2005 9:40 am, bruce wrote: > php appears to be fine/good for prototyping. my question; does anybody > have > testing experience regarding scalability of php .vs java. ie, can php > scale > to handle 1000s of simultaneous connections/users, as well as deal > with the > various security issues... PHP and Java scale up in a rather different manner. PHP itself is generally based on a "shared nothing" architecture. Need more web bandwidth ; buy more cheap hardware. At the backend of the web, you probably have some kind of other services, usually a database, and frequently some other processes that must share data of some sort. Java tends to throw that into its Framework, and that Framework provides a nexus through which resource allocation/utilization is managed. In PHP, you are expected to choose your own preferred resource management plan. Both can scale as large as you can afford to buy hardware, and as much as your skill allows you to maximize your hardware ROI. > articles dealing with actual live test data would be helpful. i'd also > be > interested in hearing from your experience if you've actually had to > look > into this issue. > > haven't really seen a lot of hard data on this via google.. lots of > mine is > better than yours.. but i'm trying to really get a feel as to whether > php > can really drive serious commercial sites... Obviously it can because it does. You've already been given an example, and refuse to believe it. There would seem to be little point to giving more examples. You can choose PHP or Java or both and provide whatever services you want #30# -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] java .vs php
[snip] > Yahoo gets 3.4 billion page views per day. That serious enough for you? > I can't believe that Yahoo! works on PHP. Any proofs? As I know they use their own-written engine, if I'm correct it's called "yScript". Am I right? [/snip] You 'were' right...up until 2002 http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963937.html?tag=lh -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
On 11/9/05 11:58 AM, Rosty Kerei wrote: Yahoo gets 3.4 billion page views per day. That serious enough for you? I can't believe that Yahoo! works on PHP. Any proofs? As I know they use their own-written engine, if I'm correct it's called "yScript". Am I right? Try here for your "proof": http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/php-at-yahoo-zend2005.pdf -- Ben Ramsey http://benramsey.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
> Yahoo gets 3.4 billion page views per day. That serious enough for you? > I can't believe that Yahoo! works on PHP. Any proofs? As I know they use their own-written engine, if I'm correct it's called "yScript". Am I right? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
Hi bruce, Programming can be as good as the programer can be. If you look at the google site, how it works, how many concurrent processes that code can do, you realize that tools available for this purposes (Phyton, Perl, PHP java) do what you want them to do. Just try to take a look to them and then pick up your tool. In 5 words. It is Up to you bruce wrote: hi... php appears to be fine/good for prototyping. my question; does anybody have testing experience regarding scalability of php .vs java. ie, can php scale to handle 1000s of simultaneous connections/users, as well as deal with the various security issues... articles dealing with actual live test data would be helpful. i'd also be interested in hearing from your experience if you've actually had to look into this issue. haven't really seen a lot of hard data on this via google.. lots of mine is better than yours.. but i'm trying to really get a feel as to whether php can really drive serious commercial sites... thanks -bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
bruce wrote: i'm trying to really get a feel as to whether php can really drive serious commercial sites. Yahoo gets 3.4 billion page views per day. That serious enough for you? Chris -- Chris Shiflett Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy http://brainbulb.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] java .vs php
bruce wrote: hi... php appears to be fine/good for prototyping. my question; does anybody have testing experience regarding scalability of php .vs java. ie, can php scale to handle 1000s of simultaneous connections/users, as well as deal with the various security issues... articles dealing with actual live test data would be helpful. i'd also be interested in hearing from your experience if you've actually had to look into this issue. haven't really seen a lot of hard data on this via google.. lots of mine is better than yours.. but i'm trying to really get a feel as to whether php can really drive serious commercial sites... Put simply, it's down to the quality of the programmer. Good programmer = good code; scalable and performant. Bad programmer = bad code. It doesn't get any simpler than that really. -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
